Joe:

Your posts receive as much attention as any, from all who visit these topics. I can only assume that you write so that others may read what you have to say. I also believe that you hope your contributions are answered in some way, favourably or not.

I do not view this, or any other board,as a forum where contests of "popularity" are meant to be conducted.Genuine respect is not the result of who has the biggest, the bestest, or even the mostest. And those who publicly proclaim themselves as "the Only One" are rarely elevated to positions higher than those who do not, IMO. Nor are those who publicize the fact that they are engaged in private communications with others, naming or name-dropping their contacts, as though such correspondence will automatically lend support to their views....or popularity index.

Although your empathy and care for cancer patients is commendable,your disdain for those who smoke understandable, personal feelings or ideology should not be used to filter knowledge or to determine truth.
If I do have an agenda, it is only to encourage the consideration and debate of all available information, and where I impose censorship within the boundaries of my own bailiwick, my decisions are based strictly on relevance and tone. My wish is for DUSA to remain free of what has proven to be detrimental elsewhere.

Regards:Wayne

Mick:


"And like I said the trail is not a trail its outside the old thinking box."

I can agree with that.


Regards:somehiker

I stumbled across this site today.
I have had experiences with Michael Bilbrey, Ed Farr, and Jim Humble whose house I lived in when I met Bilbrey and saw his L.D.T. films there. The time period was 1978-1982 or so.

There were 3 trips that I made with Bilbrey into the Superstitions, one on foot, one on horseback,
and one by helicopter. On foot it was only Bilbrey and myself. Horseback was Bilbrey, Farr and myself. In the helicopter, those three plus two friends of Farr.

I am not a fan of Bilbrey and his ethics (invested $15,000 for 13%, which I am sure by now he has sold at least 1000 %.

Nevertheless I have seen and held the two stone crosses in Jim's home in L.A.
I recall the date of 1751 being carved in one in small size.
I've not read the article or looked at the print from the news article at all. Didn't know about the news article until today

The very old dusty smell of the crosses convinced me that they are authentic. Bilbrey showed me where he dug them up on one trip, which was a flat-top butte, as I recall called Tortilla mountain or Butte, but I never learned the full geography up there. Two trips went there, and the helicopter one went somewhere in the direction of Roosevelt lake which you could see in the distance.

There are many symbols in the mountains connected with this treasure additionally, some found inside a small cave by two of Jim's friends let down the side of a cliff face. I never saw those but heard they were horse carvings, as I recall.

Jim and Ed Farr, and to a lesser extent, myself all have spiritual perceptions. Some don't believe in these, but all of us had experiences up there of one type or another.
Jim had the treasure location pointed out to him by an Indian ghost, but had other ideas on where it was, nevertheless after he lost interest he did realize it was factual information.
The five of us that went on the helicopter trip encountered a ghost that could be clearly heard, but not seen. The following morning, only Bilbrey and myself left camp to search, the others scared off by Ed Farr's description of what ghosts could do, potentially.
That ghost was making a two-tone repetitive sound meant to sound scary. I finally told him we got his message, and were going to sleep; he immediately stopped the sound.
I sometimes wonder if we were close on that trip.

Many more things could be said about Bilbrey. My own idea is that he was Jacob Waltz in a past life, otherwise how could he find the stone crosses to dig up ? Glad now that we never found it,
otherwise I suspect he would have repeated his actions from the Jacob time, which I understand was to kill the Apache's who showed him where the gold was.

I am honest, and do not change or exaggerate stories.
I'll answer any questions which anyone may have, but won't get into any arguments. I know what I experienced.

I've had no contact with anyone above since the early eighties.
However, I recently ran into Jim Humble's work in discovering MMS, which cures Malaria quickly,
as well as many other diseases. That is genuine work. He lives out of this country now (of course). I lived in Jim's house for the year of 1979. He is quite a character.
Everyone involved was of that type too. I should write a novel, but have more important things to write about now.

Note: Greed is not a safe way to experience the soon-to-come dramatic changes on this planet.
That is a different subject.

I did not take the time to read much of the L.D.T. threads, so am open to whatever comes next.

I'd be willing to talk to the moderator on the phone, if he wants, to speed things up.
I was not sure I have any photos, but do recall a picture of my old car parked at a trailhead, so I might be able to find some of these possibly.

Corky,

If Bilbrey was the reincarnation of Jacob Waltz, he would of known where the mine was. He never found the mine, only the crosses which I believe he made and put there himself.

Homar

Corky - welcome to the forum. Anytime someone shows up here willing to share some firsthand stories relating to the history and legends of the Superstitions it's interesting. As time goes by, those first hand accounts fade into the shadows more and more often, so it can often be valuable if not at least informative.

I know someone who would probably be interested in your stories as well as any photographs and other documentation you may have to share regarding Bilbrey's stone crosses. Send me an e-mail at the address below and I'll fill you in if you're interested.

paulshimek@comcast.net

Homar, there would seem to be a certain logic in your statement about knowing where the treasure would be, however when a person is unethical enough he denies himself success. Ed Farr was the first to realize this, followed by myself and Jim, who lost interest around that time.

As far as the crosses are concerned, they clearly are original and very old, and of an unusual type stone. Making them this real would be out of the question.
Bilbrey took every opportunity to trip up there and film, and I can't see him having the patience to make these crosses himself.
As I said previously they smelled very old, a weird perception perhaps, but I'm just telling it like I experienced it.

Paul, I will email you later, as I have to run now for a date.

More later.

Corky

Pass the Peyote please my toes are getting cold lol So ghosts are pointing out the location of the mine to you and you aren't listening? Lol that would seem rather odd to me.

It was Jim Humble who had the spiritual contact with the indian spirit, who pointed out the direction of the treasure. This was before I got involved.
I have little direct ability like that.
Jim has gone on to more important things: his discovery of MMS, "Miracle
Mineral Supplement" which initially cured Malaria in an emergency situation, and now virtually whatever might be the problem. Amazing, but if one looks online, he will see the stories, which I take as proof.

At a guess, I'd say the treasure has probably been found by now, but I'm sure Bilbrey will look to his dying day.

I have found lost dogs and cats with spiritual knowing of direction, but am
not confident about doing so with the Lost Dutchman Treasure.
I read that 8000 people look for it annually.
It would seem to be a dangerous activity.

Corkey:

Welcome to DUSA and thanks for sharing your thoughts and recollections.
Interesting observation regarding how the crosses had the smell of something old.
I wonder if they could have once been buried in a leather satchel or bag.
As it decomposes, leather (or cloth) usually leaves the contents with an unpleasant odour.

As you may know from reading my postings, I believe the the crosses are genuine, found by Bilbrey somewhere near or on Tortilla Mtn. in circumstances at least similar to what he claimed.
Personally I strongly suspect the crosses were either an earlier version of the Stone Maps ...or...
a supplement to them.
If they were an earlier version, it's likely that the treasure ? was moved to a different and safer location ...or consolidated with a larger cache in the other place, and then simply discarded as obsolete in one of the original hiding places, where Bilbrey subsequently found them.
If they are supplemental to the Stone Maps, and there may be some evidence in the field for this, they might indicate the location of final caches made at the latter site.

This "Miracle Mineral Supplement" of Jim Humble's which you speak of, sounds similar to the home remedy which landed Bilbrey in hot water....and the state pen,based on complaints that it didn't cure cancer like he claimed. No wonder Jim's working out of Mexico.

Regards:Somehiker

Somehiker,
I agree with your second paragraph fully.
I believe I was on Tortilla mountain (like a plateau) when he showed me where he found them.
The smell of them was like the dust you might smell in an older abandoned house, but even older.
I didn't take pictures of them, as I recall Bilbrey didn't want me to do so. Besides the 1751 date I recall that they had a wavy line on them. after that my memory dims. The carving on them was not deep. Are there photos of them since I dropped out many years ago ?

The MMS, I was initially suspicious of also, but with extensive records of things resolved by it,
I know it to be actually effective. As far as Bilbrey's cancer thing I know nothing. It is against the law in California to "cure" cancer. That goes for doctors too. Cancer is quite easy to resolve if you understand it and stay away from damaging treatments. Enough said.

Forgot the first paragraph; I'll post and have a look.

Corky