GENERAL DISCUSSION - Anything related to the LDM

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I think your spot on Joe

I noticed that in the first article it was mentioning districts.
Pioneer District with the Silver King and the Randolph District to the east,
and the new incredibly rich Goldfield District to the west.


So to build on Paul’s questions

The second Bicknell article posted was written February 15th 1878.
The first article was printed August 10th 1886.


Bicknell is relating factual information years before a certain district was established
I’m reasoning that in the 1878 article he’s foreseeing
The Goldfield District that’s mentioned in the 1886 article.
But it could be any of the other 3 districts as well.

Those known gold districts must have verifiable sources ?
Who staked the claims and who started production.
That information must be archived.


So is it possible that another 2 random Germans
(totally unrelated to the LDM) discovered the ledge of silver
and arrived in Florence on Feb. 6th ?
An irony?
Those names (whom the districts are registed to) should be researchable.

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Olaf wrote:Joe,

Sorry to hear about your heart problems. Anything to bring something like that on? Carol and I are thinking about you and Carolyn and hoping everything is just a blip. Hang in there!

I thought your post on the timing of the legend was EXTREMELY well thought out. I found it very thought provoking.

You and Carolyn Take Care,

Garry
Garry,

Many thanks for the kind thoughts. I'm feeling better/stronger every day. We hope you and Carol are doing fine and enjoying better weather.

You wrote: "I wasn't nearly as impressed with your story about the wonderful historian."

I suppose it depends on what you are looking for.

I have been a fan of Arizona history for many years now. In that time I have read many historical accounts that are not so well known.....to be kind. Since you have been in our home, you know I have a small collection of books on Arizona and a few other favorite subjects.


Hope you make it back out this way again soon.

Take care,

Joe
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Does any one know if Jacob Waltz's obituary
as recorded in the Phoenix newspaper is online?
have a link?
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Hi Guys

I came across some info on P.C. Bicknell
in a the book, “Cave Creek & Carefree AZ,”
by Francis C. Carlton copy write 1988
Highly recommended

Bicknell was real active the mining activities
Which were occurring in the Cave Creek districts
of 1860’s through the early 1900’s . He staked
a claim on the Moneymaker mine (1889) which was
close to Elizabeth claim. A deadly accident
occurred when black gunpowder was used to
dynamite a tunnel. One of his miners, William Ambler,
entered the tunnel and a large boulder fell and killed
the unfortunate individual.


The book supply a fabulous history of the Cave Creek
mining districts & mention such notable Phoenix residents
as Helling, Houck, Fleming ect al… Bicknell might have
known Waltz being the newspaper man of the
Az. Republican during his active years

One can only imagine what role Jacob played in all this?

keep on
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Olaf wrote:P. S.

Just some trivia.

What was the name of the Lost Mine that the Petrach's said they were looking for in 1892. Also I believe Dick Holmes mentions the same mine? I'd have to dig that reference out. :)

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Garry - I haven't spent any time searching out the answer to your question - were you able to find it?
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cubfan64 wrote:
Olaf wrote:P. S.

Just some trivia.

What was the name of the Lost Mine that the Petrach's said they were looking for in 1892. Also I believe Dick Holmes mentions the same mine? I'd have to dig that reference out. :)

Garry
Garry - I haven't spent any time searching out the answer to your question - were you able to find it?
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Garry and Paul,

I don't know if it's the mine you are referring to but it fits the 1890s time frame. Around that era, Herman searched for the Lost Whetlach Silver Mine. The story can be found in Robert Garman's "Mystery Gold of the Superstitions:......" The mine was in the Iron Mountain area.

Take care,

Joe
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Guys,

Sorry I hadn't followed up on the trivia thing.

In the Arizona Rebuplican, September 9, 1892. (From Greg Davis's manuscript, "Early Newspaper Articles of the Superstition Mountains and the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine.")

Another Expedition to the Superstition Mountains
A party consisting of Herman Petrick of Montana, Joseph Gilmore of Mineapolis, and Godfried Petrick left the city last night for the Superstition mountains to renew the hunt for the lost French mine.

Gottfried Petrick returned from there recently after an extensive search which developed nothing more than hope. He returned to the city and made up the party which has just started out. The hunters say they are not going to give it up this time until they find it, and they are prepared for a long stay.

This mine has caused much worry and speculation and has been a magnet for prospectors for the last ten years. Mrs. W. H. Thomas and others recently returned from an unsucessful hunt.
This was written a couple of weeks after the now famous "Queer Quest" where Julia Thomas was searching with two men (probably Rhinehart and Gottfried Petrasch)

It's interesting that Rhinehart and Julia did not accompany this expedition. I also believe that contrary to other versions, Herman had just arrived and Gotfried had been there awhile.

Anyway, the newspaper identified the mine that Julia and the Petraschs was searching for in 1892 as "the lost French mine".

There is another mention of the Lost Frenchman Mine in conjunction with Robert Holmes Sr. in Dr. Glover's book on page 187.
"He is reported to have been involved in his own Lost Mine quest, searching for the Lost Frenchman Mine near Yuma, Arizona."
BTW, I would highly recommend The Ealy Newpaper Articles manuscript. Very moderately priced and a gaggle of CONTEMPORARY ACCOUNTS that a Dutch Hunter would enjoy. I think they are still available through the Superstition Mountain Museum.

Ed,

Both of Waltz's Obituaries, Bicknell articles, etc. are included.

Garry
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Olaf wrote:P. S.

Just some trivia.

What was the name of the Lost Mine that the Petrach's said they were looking for in 1892. Also I believe Dick Holmes mentions the same mine? I'd have to dig that reference out. :)

Garry
Garry,

You can find your reference from 2007 here:

http://thelostdutchmangoldmine.com/foru ... 5&start=25

Take care,

Joe
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The above last few posts is deluge of history

In the book mention earlier about Cave Creek
I find no reference to a Wilson W. Jones or a Doc Jones.

what other sources is the Doc Jones referenced in ?
I see he's mentioned in Helen Corbin Bible...
but some her history seem pretty fanciful

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roc2rol wrote:The above last few posts is deluge of history

In the book mention earlier about Cave Creek
I find no reference to a Wilson W. Jones or a Doc Jones.

what other sources is the Doc Jones referenced in ?
I see he's mentioned in Helen Corbin Bible...
but some her history seem pretty fanciful

roc
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Roc,

I'm not sure where you are going with this, but I can assure you that Doc Jones did exist. I have not searched extensively, but I believe there are plenty of reliable sources that mention his history.

A quick look at "Echoes Of The Past: Tales of Old Yavapai, Vol. 2" finds a good bit of information on Doc Jones from page's 133-138. Here is the first mention of the man:

"Associated with them in a freighting venture and in securing government grain contracts was Dr. W. W. Jones, a Virginia-born physician who had first become acquainted with the Goldwater brothers when they were Los Angeles merchants before the Civil War."

The rest of the pages tell an interesting and action-filled story about Doc Jones.

Take care,

Joe
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