Kollenborn Chronicles Discussions

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Re: Kollenborn Chronicles Discussions

Post by somehiker » Wed May 19, 2010 6:26 pm

Ray Ruiz wrote:This is an interesting discussion!

Ray
That it is Ray.
There are few topics that expose the passions of the participants quite like that of the Stone Maps.I was somewhat surprised as well,at the apparent increase of scepticism revealed in Tom's column.It was only last July of 2009 that Tom had done a two part history of the stones,detailing some of the people and places involved.

http://www.superstitionmountain.info/ch ... 06_09.html
http://www.superstitionmountain.info/ch ... 13_09.html

In those two articles Tom also gave insight into his bias toward the theory(s),
promoted by other authors and posters to web sites,that the stones were created as part of a scheme to fleece the unwary,though obviouslyTwo famous willing risk takers...aka "investors".He did,at least,end his account with the caveat
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"As you can see this is just another explanation for the infamous and notorious Peralta Stone Maps. The stone maps have created as many enemies as they have friends. The Peralta Stone Maps will survive as long as there are those who follow in the “Footsteps of Coronado’s Children.”
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Two famous treasure hunters come to mind as I follow this topic.Both men who followed a dream,despite the doubts that surely must have arisen within themselves as well as their supporters during times of little apparent progress.One was Howard Carter and the other was Mel Fisher.Both required financial backers.
If either of these men had failed,perhaps by just a few hundred feet,to find what they knew to exist,would the historians label them as frauds?

Looking forward to hearing more from you Ray.Could talk about the trauma of trying to stuff all six pistons down the bores of a Merc inline without bustin any rings in the process. :roll:

Regards:Wayne

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Re: Kollenborn Chronicles Discussions

Post by Jim Hatt » Wed May 19, 2010 7:27 pm

QUOTED From a previous Kollenborn Article:"As you can see this is just another explanation for the infamous and notorious Peralta Stone Maps.”

Explanation?

To me... It is just another opinion. An explanation always requires a deep understanding of a subject. An opinion can be based on field work and research, but for some people they only require a half way decent imagination.

This is a good example of what I was saying earlier about Tom's way of expressing his "opinions" as "facts". We all have opinions. Some of us state them as such, and "EXPLAIN" what they are based on, and some don't.

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Re: Kollenborn Chronicles Discussions

Post by silent hunter » Thu May 20, 2010 6:54 am

Hello Ray !! Good to see you posting on here. I met you a couple weekends ago with Jim. We had just got back from that old mexican mine above your place. Anyhoo!! Its really good to here you on here.

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Re: Kollenborn Chronicles Discussions

Post by cubfan64 » Thu May 20, 2010 8:10 am

I met Ray a couple years ago at the Bluebird Mine before I had any idea who he was. I spent some time talking politics with him and spent even longer looking at all the old photos inside.

Didn't know you were born on the same date I was (July 27), however a "little" earlier than my 1964 :).

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Re: Kollenborn Chronicles Discussions

Post by gollum » Thu May 20, 2010 3:13 pm

Welcome to the forums Ray. Glad to have you here.

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Re: Kollenborn Chronicles Discussions

Post by oroblanco » Thu May 20, 2010 8:44 pm

Ditto to the remarks of our amigos, Welcome to the forums Ray. Glad to have you here.
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Re: Kollenborn Chronicles Discussions

Post by cubfan64 » Fri May 21, 2010 7:55 am

This thread seems to have run it's course, so I'm going to lock it at this point.

The main objective I had in moderating this thread was to try to keep it as a discussion regarding the FACTS presented by both sides rather than any personal opinions or "feelings." I'm not sure I succeeded, but I feel like everyone interested had an opportunity to have their voice heard.


UPDATE - 5/25/10 - I went back through this entire thread more carefully and anything that I felt was "on the line" as far as a personal attack on anyone was edited out. I apologize for not leaving messages in each post regarding the things I edited out, but there were enough that it would have made portions look almost unreadable.

Thanks,

Paul

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Squaw Box Canyon Trail

Post by Jim Hatt » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:36 am

This week in the Kollenborn chronicles

Squaw Box Canyon Trail

A great read!!!

http://www.ajnews.com/vol14/120610/pdfs ... JNW_A4.pdf

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