ROJAS' SILVER BELL

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by Jim Hatt » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:34 pm

Wayne,

That is one of the best copies of the Fish Map that is in circulation, but if you look real close... It is missing a few things.

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by somehiker » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:32 am

Yes there are,Jim.
And both versions of the map which bear the four signatures on the left side appear to have had original wording and symbols removed or altered.The third of the "discoloured" versions,unsigned by anyone other than Peralta seems to be the original.On that version,just above the Peralta ssignature,is the word "Estiado",(changed to "eduardo" on the other copies).That is one of the words which help to both position and orientate the map within the area to which it applies IMO.

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by Jim Hatt » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:31 am

somehiker wrote:
The third of the "discoloured" versions,unsigned by anyone other than Peralta seems to be the original.On that version,just above the Peralta ssignature,is the word "Estiado",(changed to "eduardo" on the other copies).
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Wayne,

Are you challenging the idea that the map I posted is an exact copy of the ORGINAL????

There can only be one original. :lol:

The one I posted is a photograph of the one Al Reser got from Frank Fish. Every other version of it in circulation is a recreation of it.

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by somehiker » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:42 pm

Hey Jim:
Gee,that wrinkled old thing certainly fits my description,don't it?
It may only be a photograph of the original,but it has all the good stuff on it and besides,I really like the cartography and calligraphy.
I wonder if there was anything written on the other side?

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by Jim Hatt » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:25 pm

Wayne,

I guess you lost me when you started talking about 3 "discoloured" versions. :?:

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by somehiker » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:48 pm

Jim:
That was just to narrow down the field a bit,backing up to the original.

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by Jim Hatt » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:20 pm

Wayne,

I was just looking something up in Tom K's book "Ride Through Time" and came across an interesting note about an old Spanish Bell.

From pg 7 of "Ride Through Time": (First Edition)

"The terrain flattened out and Colten eased his horse into a slow, comfortable canter as they entered Brush Corral, where cowboys from Barkley's ranch rounded up cattle to be shipped to feed lots. In this area Peg and Chuck Aylor, in 1939, constructed their Caballo Camp, consisting of a house and corral. Their camp was located at the north end of Palomino Mountain (Horse Head) near East Boulder Canyon. The Aylors were not only searching for lost gold mines, but for a legendary Spanish bell."

That could be an interesting story in and of itself?

Jim

P.S. I had forgotten that this book reads kinda like a combination of Documentary/Novel/History book. I'm not sure which category the "Bell" story would fall into?

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by somehiker » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:52 pm

Hi Jim:
Perhaps Tom could elaborate a wee bit about this facet of his story.
If the Aylors were interested in finding a legendary lost bell in 1939,this would obviously pre-date any knowledge of the Stone Maps.Seems to me,that if "Chuck Aylor, Ted DeGrazia and one who will remain unnamed."(as one theorist opines) were responsible for the Horse/Priest map,that the stone would have such a legendary bell upon it....somewhere.

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by Jim Hatt » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:32 pm

Wayne,

Taking another look at the statue of Rojas...

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That is a very old Church and statue. So... Obviously the legend of Rojas' Bell has been around for a long time. What is so curious to me, is how did the Aylors learn about it? I guess it's possible that they heard about it the same way Wirght1 did (by simply inquiring at the Church). It will be interesting to see if Tom has any additional details to share.

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Re: ROJAS' SILVER BELL

Post by somehiker » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:17 am

Hi Jim:
Anyone know if the Aylors ,or any of their close friends were members of that church?
It does seem a strange coincidence,that the Aylors were also searching the same mountains for a lost bell,doesn't it?
Note the loose sleeves of the frock on the Rojas statue.Same as those of the priest depicted on the H/P Stone.

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