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 Post subject: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:04 am 
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To give credit, I first read about this on another LDM Forum. It didn't go very far, and since the subject is a personal interest of mine, I thought it deserved a redux.

The Mayan Culture began in about 2600BC and flourished until sometime after 900AD. Their Southern Cities died out and their Northern Cities were incorporated into the Toltec Empire.

Without going into detail about Mayan history and making this much longer than it needs to be, we know that many of the Maya just ceased to exist after about 900AD. Nobody knows exactly what happened to them.

I started learning about this late and backwards. Some time ago, Somehiker posted several pictures of many of the places and finds he has made in the Superstitions. One of those pictures literally grabbed me:

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This is without a doubt a glyph of the character "EB". How did it get in a cave in Arizona, when the Maya were never supposed to have ranged any farther North than the Yucatan Peninsula/

Later on, I found the following article by Tom Kollenborn regarding the Heiroglyphic Stone that was taken from Heiroglyphic Canyon to the LDS Temple in Mesa. It was given to them as a gift from the Pima.

http://www.ajpl.org/aj/superstition/.../Heiroglyphic%20Canyon%20Calender.pdf

Here are the pictures from the article:

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The reason they are calling this heiroglyph a calender is because it shares many similarities with the Mayan Calender. Is it just a coincidence that the heiroglyph contains 52 places and the Mayan Calender also contains 52 places? All by itself, I would say "maybe". The calender stone in conjunction with the picture of the glyph stone Somehiker found says to me that there is a great possibility that (for some reason) the Maya spent some time in the Superstition Mountains.

A third related coincidence that is not in the Supers, but is in Southern Arizona can be found in the story on my website about my friend in Tucson that found 82 pounds of gold ingots several years ago. Part of his story involved finding a rock inscribed with Mayan Numerals. Since this Mayan Number Stone was incorporated into a hiding system for several caches of gold ingots bearing Church Casting Symboligy, as well as the associated Cross over a heart engraving on the second rock, could it be possible that a Priest with knowledge of the Maya have had something to do with the aforementioned stones?

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http://1oro1.com/jesuits/rqfind.html

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The picture of the Mayan Number Stone was lost many years ago in a move, and the finder has not made the exact location public knowledge yet.

One last thing I know of is a very old and badly worn carving of what looks like a Jaguar or Jaguar Warrior. This is in Southern Arizona not too awfully far from the Mayan Number Stone.

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The head, ear, open mouth and tongue can easily still be seen.

Add whatever you can and maybe Somehiker will share some other pics relating to the subject? Maybe Tom K. has some input as well?

Best-Mike


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 Post subject: Re: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:33 pm 
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Hello Mike,

I don't believe an empire such as the Mayan, never ventured farther north than the Yucatan peninsula. There was nothing to keep them from doing so, and their vast knowledge only implies there were golloms amongst them willing to do so.

One can't deny physical evidence, and Somehiker keeps finding things that aren't suppose to be there.

One other thing found by Somehiker that I think could be a link to the Mayas is a Classical type finger labyrinth, such as the one found at Casa Grande which is believed to be pre-Colombian. There is also the Tonto labyrinth which is also a Classical type.

The Mayan labyrinths were of the Classical type, and usually tied to water.

Homar


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 Post subject: Re: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:31 pm 
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There is one other thing that I can't go into a ton of detail about due to it being an ongoing project.

It is the story of Gordon Smith formerly of Hurricane, Utah. Smith was a very well known adventurer in Southern Utah and Northern Arizona. He packed many people into the North Rim Grand Canyon Area to show little known and some never before seen Native Pictograph Panels. When he wasn't working, he spent untold hours roaming the countryside North of the Grand Canyon looking for new panels. He also hunted native pots and arrowheads in his spare time.

One of the panels he found is absolutely amazing. Better known as either Gordon's panel or Shaman's Panel. Twenty foot tall paintings all along a cliff overhang. He did the right thing and reported the panel to the proper authorities. "Professionals" went to the site and claimed credit for the find. When he first reported the find to the National Park Service, the Superintendent called him a liar and accused him of sending in pictures from Australia. They absolutely screwed him on the whole deal. This soured him completely on dealing with the government (it plays a big part on the story to come). Here are some pics of the panel that were on a website of his before it disappeared:

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To give proper credit, these pictures were taken by Gordon Smith.

At this point I will say that there are some finds and facts that I am leaving out. Some of this information is sensitive and like I said, it is an ongoing project.

Jump to the late 1980s. Somewhere in the Mt. Logan-Mt. Trumbull Area he is riding his horse looking for pots and arrowheads. It was the middle of the day and temps were in the 80s-90s. He got off his horse to smoke a cigarette. He lit up after sitting on a big rock. While sitting there smoking his cigarette he felt a cold breeze. This was unusual due to the high temps. He followed the breeze to its' source and found a mostly filled passage. The breeze was so cold at the entrance he knew it had to be an ice cave. after removing some of the fill, he got into the cave. This room was about ten foot square and had nothing in it. Using his lighter, he saw that at the back of the cave the wall didn't go to the floor and there was about a ten inch gap in one place. The cold air was coming from this gap.

He crawled through the gap and found himself in a much larger chamber. Lined up were twenty-six mummies wrapped in something like canvas/burlap. Most of their faces were covered in wooden masks, while some were of turquoise and some of jade. Each one had a gold chain around it's neck with a hammered gold medallion depicting different animals. There were several animal skins lined up along one wall that were sewn closed. He opened one and found precious and semi precious stones. There were also some dark stones on the floor of the cave that he couldn't make out with his lighter that he picked up and put in his pockets. When he got outside, he found that those dark stones were uncut emeralds.

There is now a section of the story that I have to leave empty. I say this because if I didn't, the part after would make no sense. LOL Sorry

In doing something, he was apprehended by government employees. I won't say what type. He went to jail for a few months. While in jail, he was repeatedly questioned by ......................... people from the LDS (Mormons). Long story short, he was released and told never to be caught in that area again (persona non grata). Even after being released he was harassed by government types until he could stand it no more. He left the United States and moved to Costa Rica. He spent many years there, only occasionally visiting the States. I don't know for certain if he has moved back to the US or not, but that is where this story ends.

One thing I know for certain is that Gordon regrets ever getting off his horse that day and wants nothing to do with the area and wants to put this whole episode far into his past. I know a couple of people that have contacted him through his family and he is not very pleasant when this story comes up. One day when all the details can be made public I hope everyone will understand just how badly this guy was screwed for finding something of great importance.

When I first heard the story, I didn't put too much stock in it. Part of the story I left out included some facts that would be easy enough to check out. I was taken to the area and everything that was possible to check was verified and 100% accurate. This is (to me) one of those yarns that that I have a lot of faith in. I can't say for certain what it applies to; the Mayan disappearance or Montezuma's Gold, but there is absolutely a South of Border connection.

Best Mike


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 Post subject: Re: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:51 pm 

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My wife took this picture on a recent trip to the Sups.
She says she sees a Mayan warrior with headress, a Leopard
and a few other 'carvings'.
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 Post subject: Re: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:31 am 
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Mike, that's an absolutely fascinating story. I appreciate you sharing it, and I especially like it because I consider you to be someone who doesn't share things like that unless you are pretty firmly convinced that it's a true story.

It reminds me again of my belief that there are still many things out there left to be found that fly in the face of contemporary "history" as we've been taught it.

Great story.


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 Post subject: Re: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:00 pm 
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Thanks. For many years I had placed this story firmly in the fable category. A few years ago, I found out that a good friend of mine had known Gordon for many years. It was funny that it had never come up in conversation before it did. My friend had gone to the area several times over the years after hearing the story from Gordon. When he took me there, and showed me the evidence on the ground for some of the parts of the story I was hooked.

I just think it is a crying shame that Gordon has been screwed over and defamed as badly as he has. I think he deserves to get the credit that is rightfully due him. His story is a lot like the Milton "Doc" Noss and Victorio Peak. If you listen to the government agencies and the "professionals", you would think Smith is a fake and a fraud. If you know the whole story, it is a 180 degree difference. It would be nice for him to post here (because I know he pays attention to things online), but like I said, it is my impression that he wants to leave this story far in his past.

One of those things you mention "that fly in the face of" written history is that when they were excavating the ground for one of the runways for the airport in Mexico City in (I think) 1969, the crew found several plates that were inscribed with what turned out to be Phoenician Writing that placed them at about 1250BC. Historians said such things could not exist and labeled them fakes.

Best-Mike


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 Post subject: Re: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:44 pm 
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Thanks Mike, Really enjoyed this posting and the pics :)


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 Post subject: Re: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:53 am 
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Thanks Guz,

The North Rim Scenery is absolutely amazing. When you get up on the tops of the surrounding mountains where you can see all the different canyons and the like it is a very impressive sight.

Mike


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 Post subject: Re: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:56 pm 

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A lecture worth watching.

http://www.newmedia.ufm.edu/gsm/index.p ... vilization

Regards:Wayne


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 Post subject: Re: MAYA in the Superstitions?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:22 pm 

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Very good post. I have found some funny things lately myself. I have posted this pic before. it was found very close to a Spanish site that was taken by the Govt many years ago.
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This aint Spanish. You should see what else Im finding.


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