THE MASSACRE GROUNDS

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Roc:

Thirteen pages of discussion at this link:
http://www.thelostdutchmangoldmine.com/ ... ?f=1&t=189

Jim Bark's discoveries are mentioned.
Silverlock & Malm may come to mind as well.

Also,with your interest in rocks,keep the references to manganese in mind.

Regards:Wayne
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I don't recall where I read/heard it, but didn't Bark's cowboys at one time come across quite a few mule/horse carcases in the area of the massacre grounds and he had them bury them?
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That was an interesting read
I was under the impression that the massacre occurred in the 1780’s
I gathered it was more toward the 1860’s.

Manganese deposit is interesting and so were the geology discussion
Physical evidence of a massacre? One wonders if an archeologist, with out foreknowledge of Custer Last Stand,
could still find tangible evidence of that massacre?

Well I have President Day off. I feel like marching up to the Supers
and getting some shiny physical evidence. Cause I’m dirt poor.
I can't even afford to get a mattress deal. There on sale today.
I can hardly afford a cup of Joe at the Circle K.
And its manic Monday special… roc
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cubfan64 wrote:I don't recall where I read/heard it, but didn't Bark's cowboys at one time come across quite a few mule/horse carcases in the area of the massacre grounds and he had them bury them?
Paul:

I think the story is told in the Bark Notes,as mentioned in the linked thread.
Human remains were buried,as far as the story goes.
You probably have a copy and can check.

Regards:Wayne

Roc:

A number of years ago,a grass fire burned off the vegetation above the Little Bighorn.
The archaeologists and historians had a field day and their findings were published in an issue of National Geographic...Dec. 1986
Likely you can find a copy at a used book store....cheap. :lol:
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somehiker wrote:
cubfan64 wrote:I don't recall where I read/heard it, but didn't Bark's cowboys at one time come across quite a few mule/horse carcases in the area of the massacre grounds and he had them bury them?
Paul:

I think the story is told in the Bark Notes,as mentioned in the linked thread.
Human remains were buried,as far as the story goes.
You probably have a copy and can check.

Regards:Wayne
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Could either of you find that quote from the Bark Notes? I don't recall seeing it, nor could I find it.

Many thanks.

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Roc:

A number of years ago,a grass fire burned off the vegetation above the Little Bighorn. The archaeologists and historians had a field day and their findings were published in an issue of National Geographic...Dec. 1986
Likely you can find a copy at a used book store....cheap. :lol:
Wayne,
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The fire you are referring to took place in 1983. The archaeologist who was invited to "look the ground over" by James Court, superintendent of the National Park Service facility for the battle site, was Professor Richard Allan Fox, Jr.

That "look" eventually resulted in the publication of Professor Fox's great book on the archaeological conclusions of what took place at Little Big Horn. The book is: "Archaeology, History, and Custer's Last Battle". IMHO, it's a must read for anyone interested in that piece of American history.
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somehiker wrote:Roc:

Thirteen pages of discussion at this link:
http://www.thelostdutchmangoldmine.com/ ... ?f=1&t=189

Jim Bark's discoveries are mentioned.
Silverlock & Malm may come to mind as well.

Also,with your interest in rocks,keep the references to manganese in mind.

Regards:Wayne
Wayne,

I believe there are only eleven pages, but I agree with Roc that it's an "interesting read".

Anyone interested in the manganese deposit we found in Little Boulder Canyon, I believe I still have the GPS coordinates. They will take you right to it, but you will need to get down on hands and knees for the final approach.

Take care,

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What matter is that there is gold ore strewn about
Gold that was mined and out of place
Now whether it got there by a massacre may be debatable
So I was thinking, perhaps, some other natural disaster occurred?
(Not that a massacre is natural; but in the Super it may not be unnatural).
Maybe the Peralta’s were over taken by sudden monsoon. Flash flood!

It could have killed many & caused a general scattering…

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Roc,

My guess is that the gold part of that story started small and grew to what we hear today. The rest of the Massacre Grounds legend simply got legs from there. You would need to reread Bark's account of "Silverlock and Malhm" to see, what I believe to be the true story.

Good luck,

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Did Glovers book give a pretty good account of Silverlock ?
I recall reading that they found gold around the massace grounds
and then sort of dissappeared? They dug lots of holes.
Plus,I think it mentioned them finding an arrowhead.
Too bad none of that gold isn't available to test against the matchbox
It would help to find just one verifiable hunk of ore
from that area, that was well documented,
to have for a test and as a trophy!

Its pretty accessible area of the Supers correct ?
But obviously it been picked over heavily...
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It's a very accessible area of the Supers roc - I've spoken with a few different folks who have gone out there with metal detectors over the years to look for any gold ore that might still be around.

I'll say though, that no matter how many people have gone out there searching over all these years for scattered ore, there is LOTS of area to cover and although it's readily accessible, once you get off the main trails you quickly realize that doing any kind of extensive search of the ground would take forever.

If the massacre occurred there, who knows how far mules and people may have scattered as well. I've often wondered how many people have really searched all the little draws and ridges in the rock as one gets closer and closer to the main mountain from where the massacre is believed to have occurred.

Long story short, there's just SO MUCH area to search out there, that one quickly realizes it's as bad as looking for a needle in a haystack.

As an aside, I've run across quite a few clusters of pottery shards out there while hiking and exploring. Garden Valley of course is littered with them (I always wonder what it would have been like to have been an early visitor to that area many years ago), but I've found lots of scatterred pieces right off the main trails in some of the oddest locations one could imagine out there.

Never ran across an arrowhead in the Superstitions yet, but I imagine I will one of these days.
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