OHV Mojave Desert

[Plays In The Dirt]

[quote="Waynno"]

The web site is spreading lies and misconceptions (Gee, Imagine that)

Then is one to assume that Ms. Rugwell from the BLM was misquoted, or did not even say these things at all?

[Dan]

PITD,
There are never guarantees that there will be 100% compliance in any public policy. Expecting such from off-roaders any more than any other group is not a legitimate reason for further restrictions. It is, in essence, punishing the law abiding for actions of the few who do not comply. If US public policy had been based upon the premise that there must be 100% compliance with all existing regulations, else more restrictions are justified, we would have no freedoms left. None.

That policy is a recipe for disaster. Sorry if you don't see it.

[Dan]

The web site is spreading lies and misconceptions (Gee, Imagine that)

Then is one to assume that Ms. Rugwell from the BLM was misquoted, or did not even say these things at all?

Would your view be different if you knew Ms. Rugwell was a member of Sierra Club and sent money to CBD?

[Waynno]

The web site is spreading lies and misconceptions (Gee, Imagine that)

Then is one to assume that Ms. Rugwell from the BLM was misquoted, or did not even say these things at all?

Have you even attended one of these events? Or are you
like all the others and go by what you read on a web site

Wayne

[Plays In The Dirt]

PITD,
There are never guarantees that there will be 100% compliance in any public policy. Expecting such from off-roaders any more than any other group is not a legitimate reason for further restrictions. It is, in essence, punishing the law abiding for actions of the few who do not comply. If US public policy had been based upon the premise that there must be 100% compliance with all existing regulations, else more restrictions are justified, we would have no freedoms left. None.
That policy is a recipe for disaster. Sorry if you don't see it.

Okay accepted, you didn't answer my question:
Then is one to assume that Ms. Rugwell from the BLM was misquoted, or did not even say these things at all?

[Plays In The Dirt]

The web site is spreading lies and misconceptions (Gee, Imagine that)

Then is one to assume that Ms. Rugwell from the BLM was misquoted, or did not even say these things at all?

Would your view be different if you knew Ms. Rugwell was a member of Sierra Club and sent money to CBD?

Quite possibly, Dan. Frankly I have no idea what outside group affiliations Ms. Rugwell has so why go there?

[EZRider]

Dan writes, "The only people who would think I'm a radical are the radicals themselves, who are used to getting their way, and don't want my opinions to be heard."

Your comments to the grant requests will provide validation that your opinions are being heard, Dan.

As for being judged as a radical, that is a risk one takes when publicly voicing an opinion.

EZ

[Dan]

It's all about choices, isn't it, EZ?

So, why do you attempt to force your choices on others?

[Plays In The Dirt]

Given that there were many comments questioning the validity of what Ms. Rugwell from the BLM had said and that was quoted by the editor from the web site link that Sal provided:
(http://www.basinandrangewatch.org/OHV-RAC.html), I wrote to the editor and just received an email reply. Here's verbatim what they said:

"Those are direct quotes from Rugwell on February 6, 2009 from the BLM
Resource Advisory Council Meeting that took place in Pahrump Nevada at the
Saddle West Hotel at 9 in the morning. If you want, you can ask Rugwell
herself. These are not our quotes. Everybody at that meeting (BLM
employees) were talking like it is a very bad situation involving law
enforcement relating to large races like this. I would suggest that people
who feel they are being lumped into an unfair category attend these
meetings and infrom BLM otherwise. We recieved some comments from those
guys you are talking about. They couldn't spell half of their profanity!
Even got a death threat.

We are not in favor of road closures, but would like to see large OHV
events more regulated.

Thanks for the note.

Editor"

So now is this also a lie? Are the facts being distorted? Are these just exaggerations to some trivial - localized problem. Is this some grand scheme perpetrated by anti-OHV radical activists to totally rid the country of OHV's? Or could there really be a major problem with OHV races as well as use in the deserts and mountains of our country?

[Allen]

I agree that large gatherings of people operating motor vehicles has an effect on the surrounding landscape as well as an impact upon the EMS system that must attend to the myriad of injuries, many of them fatal that occur as a result of these activities. Here in California, the run sheet for Mercy Air is dominated on weekends hauling participants of AMA District 37 racing events to trauma centers. Although these events are held in legal, open OHV areas and are permitted, the financial impact on the budgets of responsible agencies is significant.

S@ndman, that's all a bunch of B.S. and you know it! All D37 clubs pay Symons Ambulance to have an ambulance at all events, Not one dime of public money. A volunteer organization called Rescue 3 provides all Emergency Medical Services from volunteer Doctors, RN's and EMT's. Rescue 3 also coordinates all Airship requirements with Desert Communications based on the assessment of the medical provider at an accident scene. Mercy Air charges full price for their services and once again, not one dime comes from public funds. I know this to be fact because my son was airlifted to Loma Linda several years ago and the bill was $7800 from Johnson Valley to the Hospital.

More unfounded B.S. of yours, S@ndman? Perhaps you are just upset that you can't cut it at a Level 1 Trauma facility and therefore, are employed at that downtown Riverside hospital with a poor patient care rating and reputation.

By the way, S@ndman, a vast majority of D37 races are held each year, that require absolutely no transportation by ground or air. When transport is required, it seldom involves more than one injured party.