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Dan wrote:What's interesting is EZRider, Sandman, Sal, and a whole host of others are interested in giving all levels of government the power to regulate our "problems" away as well. History shows that less limited power to regulate often comes at the expense of liberties owned by those who have nothing to do with the "problem". Is it better to deal with the twice annual incursion onto your private property by a few OHV users ignorant to what they are doing, or deal with a government that now has the power to regulate all manner of activities on your private property, perhaps some you wish to engage in yourself?

Do you want the government telling you when and how you will landscape your property? What color you will paint your house? Whether you can pave a driveway, or when it must remain dirt and mud? How much water you can use? How much sewer service you can use? Where your thermostat may be set? How about setting them at 100 degrees in the summer, and 55 in winter, by decree by the "regulatory czar".

They're using a lot of "czars" in this Administration. These are not elected people, whose "regulations" are not subject to deliberation by elected officials, whose decisions on conformance are final, and who are accountable to no one but the President himself. These people are in no way accountable to the American public.

Comfortable with that?
Dan,
I can count on one hand, the number of times I had to withdraw my pistol from it's shoulder holster and point it at someone to protect myself while working. There have also been numerous occasions where I had it in hand as a precautionary measure with the safety still on, but never had to aim at anyone. I consider myself lucky that I never had to use it for it's intended purpose. Although it can be used as a deterrent, you must always realize that at some point, you must make a life or death decision, which is a HUGE burden. Nobody can take it for granted and consider using their defensive weapon in an instinctive manner. It must always be a last resort measure before the weapon is leveled at the target and the trigger squeezed without hesitation.

"Regulation" can be necessary under many different circumstances. However, I think regulation has been taken to extreme under many different circumstances. As an example, the regulation of OHV's by the City of Hesperia was done as an "Urgency Ordinance" which didn't allow for public comment, but I really don't think it was so urgent that it couldn't have been subjected to public discussion rather than being run through in the manner it was. While SBCO Ordinance 3973 goes well beyond the statutes already imposed at the state level, it was at least given time for public discussion and a lot of give and take from both sides. I don't agree with the need for 3973, since there were already sections of the State Penal Code in effect that addressed the arguments for 3973. Based on that, I see 3973 as another unnecessary regulation that might not hold up if challenged, since the County is subordinate to the state PC in those types of matters. I'll leave that to the Lawyers that seem to be running everything :twisted:
We have problems with governmental agencies that can't even agree with who's in charge of what? A good example of that is the differing opinions presented by the SBCO Sheriff vs. the California Highway Patrol. I would defer to the CHP regarding the Vehicle Code, since that is their specialty and defer to the Sheriff more for non-vehicular law enforcement since that is their specialty.
I wish to be on record that I do not condone trespassing, nor do I support anybody that conducts themselves in a manner that others might find disturbing.
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DAN writes: "Do you want the government telling you when and how you will landscape your property? What color you will paint your house? Whether you can pave a driveway, or when it must remain dirt and mud?"

There are a lot of Home Owner Associations and City/Town Councils that are all ready doing that. You have the State of California that wants to tell you what light bulbs you can use. Look at all the "global warming" Bravo Seirra changes that Al Bore wants to make in your life. It's happening NOW, and will only get worse. It will affect your everyday life as much as it will your recreational life. Sandman, Sal, EZ, and a few others here who carp about the dicussion of politics here need to understand that THEIR idea of ideal recreation in in the cross hairs of the government and their enviro-nazi backers also. We can throw a hissy fit between us here as to what constitutes proper OHV use, but if we don't pull together to fight what's coming down the pike, it won't matter what any of us say. There will be no recreation on public land.
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Allen, I'm in 100% complete agreement. Thanks for sticking your neck out for so many years to keep the dangerous people from having access to the rest of us. I'm grateful to you, as are many Americans who understand how dangerous are the people who you worked to put out of business for all this time.

Castle, I'm almost in full agreement. All except the part that it's bound to get worse. It will get worse only if we allow it to do so. According to our Constitution, we still have the power. We've simply been talked out of the concept. There is a significant segment of the population that seems to believe that Mr Obama's Administration will find a way to suspend elections if the polls show he's not going to survive re-election in 2012 or is term-limited out in 2016. Some believe he will invent some "dire emergency" that will justify the move to the great unwashed, and our economy and state of even more serious economic chaos that might occur will be the primary excuse. They assert that the passage of humongous socialistic legislation and commitment of taxpayer dollars, as well as seizing of entire private industries is merely a test to see if the American public will tolerate it if the "emergency" is painted as being dangerous enough to our economic viability. By this time next year, the government will owe over twice as much cash as it does now, will be in charge of the decisions of our financial industry, 2/3 of our domestic auto industry, will force cooperation from our insurance industry and mortgage industry, is already in control of 80% of our banking industry, and will be reaping benefits of new huge tax increases on every obligated taxpayer earning in excess of $100k per year (that includes perhaps 75% of all small business within the US). I'm not sure I'm fully on board with that notion, but I believe he will attempt to implement much of this plan. It's the "audacity" to believe in his own "hope" that we will fall for it.

It will require every legal and legislative option at the disposal of the American people to rescue our own Constitution.

Not all "change" is good.
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DAN, I should have said "it will only get worse if we don't do something about it."
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Sal wrote::arrow:
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Sal wrote::arrow:

Sal, I think you erred in posting the arrow. Since it appears to be indicative of your political leanings, it should be a left arrow. Sal = <----
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castle wrote:DAN, I should have said "it will only get worse if we don't do something about it."
Agreed. Is it beer-thirty yet?
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Dan wrote:
castle wrote:DAN, I should have said "it will only get worse if we don't do something about it."
Agreed. Is it beer-thirty yet?
It is here!
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