DID JULIA SELF-PROMOTE THE LDM LEGEND?

[roc2rol]

Were sort at stalemate on whether Jacob deliberately lied to Julia
There is another distinct possibility

Perhaps Julia self-promoted Jacob Waltz’s internment with her?
Maybe she was even an opportunist?

Waltz likely rambled on about his life & gold prospecting days.
He knew this was his last stand,
And Ol’ Waltz must have had lots of stories to impart!
Plus he had sympathetic ears in Julia & Rhiny.
Greenhorns. They must have been enthralled!

Perhaps Julia even mentioned that she wanted to do some prospecting?
Maybe she even asked for advice?
Maybe nothing specific was ever related?
Yet enough to entice a newbie from an original pioneer.

Then Julia & Rhiny found out how hard prospecting actually is.
But the investment had been made.
So perhaps Julia confabulated the tales told?
For her own personal reasons?
Maybe in her head it took on life of its own.

I may not subscribe to this theory
but it is another possibility.
roc

[AshtonPage]

Hi Roc,

Be careful that you don’t make too many assumptions. For myself - I reckon that every assumption I make cuts the probability of accuracy in half…. But that’s just me.

While Julia had the (financial) MOTIVE to self-promote the tale of the LDM, her actions showed that she was just plain lost. You pays your money and you takes your pick. For me, I think it was probably a little of both – that’s with a 50/50 probability

Best,
Ashton

[roc2rol]

I agree I’m assuming quite a lot if my intentions are
to make Julia & Co. some sort of masterminds behind the legend.

The very fact that they embarked on their
“Queer Quest’ into the Supers in August,
the hottest most brutal time of year,
implies a certain bungling naivety.

Yet, in the 6 months of Waltz’s internment with Julia
the conversation couldn’t have been just one sided?
Many question & inquiries must have been asked?
But obviously the question of when is it the best time
to go prospecting wasn’t asked. Ha Ha

O this darn legend! I keep trying to ferret out the soft historical facts
and they are as difficult to discover as the mine itself.
Search on
roc

[roc2rol]

Although I post quite frequently about the LDM

I AM NO DUTCH HUNTER !
I’ve never gotten off the Apache Trail ! Ha Ha

I think most of you realize that
but new folks might not

But I do like to think I’m a
Amateur DUTCH HISTORIAN

Now growing up in Phoenix
I’d always ask the boys
why don’t we march up into those Supers and get that mine?!

They were not interested because they assume it’s just a legend.

After joining DUSA and getting educated
I’m a bit more persistence now.
But were all getting old.
So even if I could prove something
getting anyone to go with me would take a big nugget.

roc

[roc2rol]

still the question of why Julia & Co would embark in August of their 'quest'
bothers me.
Were they really that naive?
Were they so sure of themselves
that they had direct specific directions?
There later accounts seem to be confused.
Or did they know something we still haven't mined?
roc

[alan m]

Roc
The only logical explaination the way I see it is that Julia must have known the same information as did Herman Petrasch.
the mine is in a wash near water.
Julia must have figured that they could just drive right up and get it.
Her financial situation may have pushed her for an "early" attempt.
But not realizing how rugged the terrain was would shurley cause some confusion and then all the other clues which she had picked up along the way, before Waltz death , began to cloud her thinking.
Alan

[roc2rol]

Your analysis is probably closest to correct Alan
And Herman’s later divulging information may explain it.

Nonetheless it seems a bit uncanny
Being that out of the box thinking might be necessary
maybe the August moon as something to do with the location ?
Or some other seasonal anomaly?


You know its interesting
but I suppose I could look at astrological historical chart
and see what phase the moon was in for that year & month

roc

[eunderhill]

Your analysis is probably closest to correct Alan
And Herman’s later divulging information may explain it.

Nonetheless it seems a bit uncanny
Being that out of the box thinking might be necessary
maybe the August moon as something to do with the location ?
Or some other seasonal anomaly?


You know its interesting
but I suppose I could look at astrological historical chart
and see what phase the moon was in for that year & month

roc

I'd recommend the astonomy software Stellerium for that info. It's a very useful piece of software. I've used it while studying info on the net about Jesus. Used Stellerium to view a partial eclipse of the sun in Jersusalem around the year 33AD (I might be off on the year as I forget) for instance.

As for why Julia and Reiney tried to do this in August, who knows. Maybe greed played some part and clouded their thinking. I've tried to enter Hog Canyon during August and had to turn back because of some red wasps that were flying in and out of the Mouth of Hog Canyon. My guess was that these wasps were going after the water in that side canyon where the 30 foot dry water fall is along with the Hohokam petorglyphs. I gave up and turned back as i didn't think sharing a narrow canyon with a bunch of wasps sounded like a good idea. What ever Julia's and Reiney's reasons were, they definately were not very experienced in this. In some ways their behaviour seems very much like the behaviour of some of the people of today that try looking for the mine in the middle of summer.

[roc2rol]

Yes Stellerium would be useful!
especially if I get around to writing that
historical novel of the LDM
Thanks

keeping in the spirit of thread
you jarred a thought.

If Julia was a self promoter of the legend
then August
was the perfect time to seek the LDM !
Why ?
Because that would stir the most gossip/rumors
amongst the Phoenix populace and beyond

Greenhorn, (former ice cream shop/ baker)
crazy lady and her half adopted, 18 year old
drunk son march off into the Superstitions
during the worst possible & murderous time.

Guaranteed to get press!
Notoriety!
Queer Quest indeed

Heck they may have just camped out for a few days
& come back with lost treasure tales
and maps to sale.
Brilliant!

roc

[alan m]

If the clues are valid which is in serious doubt it is no surprise that Julia didn't find the mine since no one to date has
Waltz even said it was hard to find
A good read of sims elys book should raise a red flag or two about those clues
Dr thornes information is especially faulty
Alan