The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by Marius » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:40 am

nobody wrote:
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Wait, didn't Ryan say that the maps that they are following cover as far as southern Pinal county? Is this another James Reavis land grant, were if you find any treasure or even just gold the Jesuits come running and claim it's theirs? So when the maps are shown on the show, they can claim that you used their maps to find it. No surprise if it happens with the you know who's (J).
Nobody , here is a big obstacle . They BELIEVE ( IN THEIR OWN MINDS ) how their maps are for the region you have mentioned above .

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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by Matthew Roberts » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:51 pm

nobody wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:22 am
Wait, didn't Ryan say that the maps that they are following cover as far as southern Pinal county? Is this another James Reavis land grant, were if you find any treasure or even just gold the Jesuits come running and claim it's theirs? So when the maps are shown on the show, they can claim that you used their maps to find it. No surprise if it happens with the you know who's (J).

nobody,

Hewitt, Roblas and Millsite Canyons in Pinal County were all of great interest to Travis Tumlinson in his early searches.
Travis partnered with Wilbur and Phillip Leaseman, covered this area pretty thoroughly using the maps including the Stone Maps to search for gold and treasure.
When Clarence Mitchell (Travis Marlowe) got the Stone Maps from Tumlinson he also searched the Hewitt, Roblas and Millsite area thoroughly.
In fact he was at one time so sure the treasure was there that he and his wife moved from Apache Junction to Queen Valley which is about a mile away from those canyons.
Mitchell gave up on that area and ended up searching the central and northern part of the Superstitions.

There may have been something to Tumlinson, Leaseman and Mitchell spending time there. Millsite and Roblas canyons both empty into Hewitt which empties into Queen Creek. I have found placer and some good color in all three canyons.

But I do not believe the maps including the Stone Maps that Tumlinson and Mitchell owned pointed to that area. That is just my personal opinion.

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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by nobody » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:36 pm

Thank you Mathew, it's nice to get some information.

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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by deducer » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:11 pm

Matthew Roberts wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:51 pm
nobody wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:22 am
Wait, didn't Ryan say that the maps that they are following cover as far as southern Pinal county? Is this another James Reavis land grant, were if you find any treasure or even just gold the Jesuits come running and claim it's theirs? So when the maps are shown on the show, they can claim that you used their maps to find it. No surprise if it happens with the you know who's (J).

nobody,

Hewitt, Roblas and Millsite Canyons in Pinal County were all of great interest to Travis Tumlinson in his early searches.
Travis partnered with Wilbur and Phillip Leaseman, covered this area pretty thoroughly using the maps including the Stone Maps to search for gold and treasure.
When Clarence Mitchell (Travis Marlowe) got the Stone Maps from Tumlinson he also searched the Hewitt, Roblas and Millsite area thoroughly.
In fact he was at one time so sure the treasure was there that he and his wife moved from Apache Junction to Queen Valley which is about a mile away from those canyons.
Mitchell gave up on that area and ended up searching the central and northern part of the Superstitions.

There may have been something to Tumlinson, Leaseman and Mitchell spending time there. Millsite and Roblas canyons both empty into Hewitt which empties into Queen Creek. I have found placer and some good color in all three canyons.

But I do not believe the maps including the Stone Maps that Tumlinson and Mitchell owned pointed to that area. That is just my personal opinion.

Matthew
Matthew,

Do you by any chance have a copy of the post you made that was censored and deleted by Ryan? I only saw that it had been censored, then the entire topic just vanished.

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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by nobody » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:33 pm

Ryan took his ball and went home.

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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by Joe Ribaudo » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:17 pm

deducer,

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Ryan,

Can you tell me why you deleted my post?

Thanks,

Joe Ribaudo
My section of DesertUSA will not have anything to do with The Superstition Mountain Historical Society - or its corresponding magazine - and your post was in reference to that initial post of Matthew Roberts.

Again, the Tumlinson Family and I would prefer our forum stay free of mistruths, or what we consider to be mistruths, and the majority of those, in our opinion, start with Greg Davis and Matthew Roberts.

Your experience may vary.


Given that you led the witch hunt against Matthew Roberts, Mr. Ribaudo, its funny how you have changed sides.
Ryan,

I did not lead the "witch hunt" against Matthew. I, reluctantly, accepted the facts which were brought to my attention. When Matthew posts good, factual, posts I will give him credit. He does the same for me.

On the other hand, I have never been against the museum.

Here is a direct quote from you concerning Greg Davis:

"We are all lucky to have Mr. Greg Davis to help keep all of these stories alive as well, with his incredibly well preserved documents."

Have you "switched sides", so to speak?

I'm quite sure you will delete this post, as you seem to only want to see your version of the truth. That's fine with me, as I will copy it and post it for others to read.....elsewhere.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo
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I did copy a number of posts, including Matthew's, but when I saved it in my email program.......it went to live with Jesus. I have been doing that for years, without a single problem. This time I got nothing saved. :roll:

Good luck,

Joe

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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by somehiker » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:14 am

Hi deducer:

I only bothered to copy to notepad some of the subsequent posts. What set RG off this time however, was Matt's having said in the prior post that the 2017 issue of the museum newsletter (late Oct./Nov) would include an article he had written about Tumlinson/Mitchell history pertaining to the stones.

Personally, based on much of what has been said by RG and his "team", both on line and in private conversation, along with his frequently alternating sycophantic vs abusive behavior toward long-time participants in this affair, has me believing it's all about proving the lot of us to be gullible "fools"..

As he himself said .....
" As a side note - did you know that the word Tonto is Spanish for Fool? I always chuckle when I hear that....

"The Fools National Forest" "
And then followed up with....
[b" I would like to ask a question back to the community, not Travis / SoJ related.

Given the technology we have today - and the technology of the Government - why do folks believe in the "Legend of Jacob Waltz(er)" and, by some accounts, a massive gold mine in the Superstitions - when no modern day technology has found it? Outside of the Mammoth Mine, and to the best of my knowledge, no gold mine has ever been found of worthwhile proportions in the Superstition Mountains, in its history, modern or past. "[/b]
This kind of constant "testing" seems to have been his MO since the beginning. Sort of a one-man "good cop/bad cop" method of interrogation, if you get my drift. I'd be willing to bet, given his habit of deletion of everything contrary to his claims and suppositions, that his "TV Series"...if it ever sees the light of day......will be Anti Treasure and Anti Treasure Hunting in nature. That's something I could see the Jesuits helping along in any way they can. What WOULDN'T help his project to achieve these goals would be information such as Matt's upcoming article and any posts and evidence to the contrary contributed on DUSA and the other websites that would be easily available to interested viewers of the program via Google or other search engines .

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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by deducer » Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:24 am

somehiker wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:14 am
Hi deducer:

I only bothered to copy to notepad some of the subsequent posts. What set RG off this time however, was Matt's having said in the prior post that the 2017 issue of the museum newsletter (late Oct./Nov) would include an article he had written about Tumlinson/Mitchell history pertaining to the stones.

Personally, based on much of what has been said by RG and his "team", both on line and in private conversation, along with his frequently alternating sycophantic vs abusive behavior toward long-time participants in this affair, has me believing it's all about proving the lot of us to be gullible "fools"..

As he himself said .....
" As a side note - did you know that the word Tonto is Spanish for Fool? I always chuckle when I hear that....

"The Fools National Forest" "
And then followed up with....
[b" I would like to ask a question back to the community, not Travis / SoJ related.

Given the technology we have today - and the technology of the Government - why do folks believe in the "Legend of Jacob Waltz(er)" and, by some accounts, a massive gold mine in the Superstitions - when no modern day technology has found it? Outside of the Mammoth Mine, and to the best of my knowledge, no gold mine has ever been found of worthwhile proportions in the Superstition Mountains, in its history, modern or past. "[/b]
This kind of constant "testing" seems to have been his MO since the beginning. Sort of a one-man "good cop/bad cop" method of interrogation, if you get my drift. I'd be willing to bet, given his habit of deletion of everything contrary to his claims and suppositions, that his "TV Series"...if it ever sees the light of day......will be Anti Treasure and Anti Treasure Hunting in nature. That's something I could see the Jesuits helping along in any way they can. What WOULDN'T help his project to achieve these goals would be information such as Matt's upcoming article and any posts and evidence to the contrary contributed on DUSA and the other websites that would be easily available to interested viewers of the program via Google or other search engines .
Well,whatever format his "project" appears in, it is at this point absolutely not going to be objective or truthful to the history of the Stone Maps or the history of the Superstitions in general, judging by his complete inability to accept or tolerate opposing viewpoints to the point of deleting many good posts. I will not be making the mistake of writing more long posts only to have it disappear into the ether. I should have saved my posts like Joe did.

And should his "project" turn out to be anti-treasure or anti-treasure hunting, I have plenty of examples such as the one below where he says the opposite, and I will most certainly air them all out if I find the "project" to be duplicitous in any way.
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My biggest fear is that his "project" is going to be nothing more than revisionist history which obliterates or white-washes what really happened in order to placate the current Tumlinsons.
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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by Matthew Roberts » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:46 am

deducer,

Here is the post I wrote just before RMG decided to attack me and the Superstition Mountain Historical Museum and their annual Journal.

I do not know what caused RMG to go off like that or go after me.
The article I wrote for the upcoming 2017 Journal is not my story it is Clarence Mitchell's story as he told it.
The SMHS Journal article in no way attacks anything RMG and his associates are trying to say and do.
Like it or not Mitchell was an intimate part of the Tumlinson Stone Map story and he has a right to have his views and involvement in the Tumlinson and the Stone Maps told every bit as much as RMG and his associates have the right to tell their story.

Mitchell never attacked Travis Tumlinson or any of the Tumlinson family in any way shape or form.
RMG and some in the Tumlinson family have made it their priority to trash Mitchell's reputation, call him a liar, crook and con man and degrade anyone who ever had anything to do with Mitchell. I guess I am lumped into that category because I was asked to write Mitchell's story for the SMHS Journal.

The ironic thing about RMG and his outrage against Mitchell is members of the Tumlinson family (which includes the Leaseman and Salles) is members of the family have thanked me for writing about their involvement in the Superstition Mountains search and mentioning them by name. One thing I learned from writing the article is the Tumlinson/Leaseman/Salles are not all on the same page with this new story being worked up by RMG.

RMG has the right to tell his story any way he likes and trash whoever he wants along the way but he is making a mistake. He wants to control the Stone Map story but has never faced the fact that the Tumlinson family was not the only people who were involved with that story. His reaction to that fact is to trash everyone and everything that does not involve his story.

My post was a reply to a question by Marius:


Marius,

I wrote an article for the Superstition Mountain Historical Society 2017 Journal about Clarence Mitchell and his involvement with the Stone Maps. That 2017 Journal will be out sometime in October or November this fall.

Because of the belief by some, Mitchell included, that the Stone Maps may have been dealing with Jesuit mines, treasure and caches in the Superstition Mountains I had occasion to contact the Jesuit order to get their input and opinion for the article.

It was no easy task getting to talk to the right people. When I first contacted the order a little over a year ago I was finally put in touch with the office of the Provincial Superior of the Jesuit Conference of Canada and the United States.

Since Arizona has no office I was directed to the Los Gatos, California office which directs all affairs and business for Arizona and California. Fr. Michael Weiler is the Provincial Superior at Los Gatos and his office and staff were most helpful in answering my inquiries. The Los Gatos office also directs the Catholic Diocese Arizona History Center at Tucson.

As of July 1st of this year the Jesuit Order underwent a much anticipated reorganization. The office of Jesuits West has now taken over the Arizona order and consolidated it with 9 other western states. Jesuits West also is the administrator for the Kino Border Initiative at Nogales, Arizona and Sonora, Mexico. The Jesuits West office is located in Portland, Oregon.

Fr. Scott Santarosa is the Provincial Superior at Jesuits West and his staff has been most patient and helpful. Fr. Alfred Naucke is the Provincial Secretary who is a wealth of information. The Jesuit order does not sponsor anyone or anything outside of their own stated goals and agendas. They are however open to those who might have questions and do their best to answer them openly and honestly.

Matthew


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Re: The falsehoods of Ryan, Tumlinson's and the SOJ

Post by babymick1 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:48 am

I think Ryan blew the fuss after my post to Chotto
Which he deleted the Locked Thread first, Then he blew up at the post to Marris and threw out a spew on the mesuem, Mr Davis and Mr Roberts ect.

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