"POSSIBLE" LDM CLUES from various sources

[Jim Hatt]

Kurt,

There is a lot of interesting information in Blair's book. Unfortunately he did not always provide his sources for that information.

Best,

jim

[AshtonPage]

Just musing here. In other words, more idle ramblings from Ashton.
Old Jake to Dick Holmes, "If you pass the three Red Hills you have gone too far." On another forum someone that I have confidence in posted that as being his favorite clue. So I began thinking about it and here’s where I am on this one.

While most have taken that to mean you will come to the mine is BEFORE you get to three red hills………. (pay attention) that’s not what Old Jake said. He said “if you PASS the three red hills”.

This tells me a couple things. For one, the trail (at least at that time) went past 3 red hills. That is to say, the 3 red hills are not standing out in the middle of some field with no trail, because you wouldn’t be walking PAST them if that was the case. Anyone who has hiked in the Superstitions will understand.

Since the ‘clue’ is if you PASS three red hills – it’s possible that the mine is located between (or adjacent to) the 3 red hills. Notice that “3 rocks” or “3 peaks” or “3 stones” are a recurring theme in the LDM clues: Three rocks like Wikiups, three peaks west of the mine - even on the Weiser Map (uuuh, no comment) there are three peaks due west of the mine, Waltz put a frying pan on the center of three peaks, Reiney; “If we followed the center peak due east, we would be sure to find the mine”….. etc, etc.

For the sake of this argument, I will assume the 3 peaks, 3 hills, 3 rocks all refer to the same thing. Since Reiney supposedly said that Waltz told them to “follow the CENTER peak (same peak where Waltz put the frying pan) due east to locate the mine.” AGAIN -> this points to the LDM being between (or more properly, adjacent to) the 3 red hills, NOT before them.

So the next question is -> WHICH three red hills? I know of a couple and I'm sure other people know of even more.

Best,

Ashton

[roc2rol]

Yo Ashton
What sources can you suggest for reference to the 3 red hills ?
Specifically do you know if they are mentioned in
"Story of the Lost Dutchman," by good ol Brownie Holmes?
If so, what chapter?
If your familiar with that book
which I am presently reading
Thanks
roc

[AshtonPage]

Hi Roc,

I never gave much credence to the Three Red Hills clue myself - until somebody else posted it as his favorite clue on another forum. It's probably bad manners to spout off other people's names and other forums. I don't know what proper etiquette is, so I'll play it safe until I'm told otherwise.

Supposedly, Waltz told the three red hills clue to Dick Holmes. I don't think that clue is in print, I believe it's a hand-me-down clue.

Maybe someone else can add something??

Thanks,
Ashton

[AshtonPage]

Hi Roc,

In re-reading this thread I see that the first post (by Jim Hatt) contains the three red hills clue. It's on page 63 of The Thunder God’s Gold by Barry Storm.

Best,
Ashton

[roc2rol]

Wow Thanks Ashton
I just happen to have “Thunder Gods Gold”
That clue is bold faced marked in the book along with other clues.
From Storm’s poin of view this core clue given to Julia

Here what is written right after the bold face 3 hill clue in the book.

“Too far to the north he must have meant for the only three red hills
are a bare half mile north of the Bluff Spring & Needle Canyons junction

Kind of makes me want to view “Lust For Gold” again
See if the movie directors photographed the 3 red hill

Thanks again
Ed

[AshtonPage]

Hey Ed,

Just thinking about the three red hills clue. I believe Waltz told Julia how to find the cache and he told Holmes how to find the mine – hence the irreconcilable differences in the directions between Holmes and Petrasch.

Now if Waltz gave this clue to Julia, then the CACHE could be between the 2nd and 3rd red hill. If that's the case, then it makes sense why Waltz would have said; "if you PASS three red hills". Of course, that assumes I’m correct in my interpretation that Waltz meant what he said, quite literally.

Looks like I need to buy Barry Storm’s book. I haven’t read it yet.

Best,
Ashton

[AshtonPage]

Can anybody tell me who A.J. was?
He seemed to have a penchant for carving his initials in the rocks.

[cubfan64]

Ashton - all I can think of is "Apache Junction" since so many people around there refer to it as AJ. Other than that, I haven't a clue

[coazon de oro]

Apache Jack maybe?