About once a year someone discovers the Peralta Stones and immediately jumps to the conclusion that they have at long last found the key to the whereabouts of the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine. And without further ado, not even a flake of gold, or any serious research, they immediately want to tell everybody about it. I hope no one is taking all of this too seriously and investing a lot of time and money in any scheme to recover the Dutchman’s treasure based on the clues in these stone tablets. There are no legitimate clues there. The Peralta Stones are fakes! There is no doubt about it! They’re not even very good fakes. The whole thing is a hoax, dreamed up and perpetrated by God-only-knows who for God-only-knows what reason. The evidence is clear, convincing, and unequivocal.
I’ll admit that I’m not an authority on The Lost Dutchman Gold Mine legend, or any other legend. I’m not a gold miner or an authority on mining, either. I’m just a scribbler who likes to read and write about early Arizona and the Southwest. I have, however, collected a fair amount of information about the Lost Dutchman legend, prospecting, and gold mining in territorial Arizona. And I spent more than thirty years of my life as a federal criminal investigator, which has left me with a suspicious mind and a fair ability to evaluate evidence and arrive at reasonable and sound conclusions.
More than sixty years ago, I was a boy growing up in the Arizona desert east of Phoenix. My friends and I spent a lot of time hiking and camping in the Superstition Mountains. We all knew of the Lost Dutchman legend, of course. For a few years we were all determined to find the mine and recover the treasure; although, we didn’t know a thing about gold mining, and not one of us would have been able to identify gold in it’s natural state had we fallen into a mine.
A few years ago, I wrote a story about Jacob Waltz and the Lost Dutchman legend – actually, it was an exercise in a creative writing course that I was taking at the time – and it was published as Quest for Gold. It is fiction and identified as such, but I believe that it contains more fact than most of what has been written about the Lost Dutchman legend. I concluded that the source of Jacob Waltz’s wealth, such as it was, was not in the Superstition Mountains. Of course, that conclusion caused some indignation among the Dutch Hunters, as the modern Lost Dutchman searchers like to call themselves, and my conclusions in Quest for Gold have been challenged many times. Almost every time that something like the Peralta Stones are rediscovered and labeled "New evidence of the location of the Lost Dutchman mine," I hear from the Dutch Hunters: "See, there! The mine does exist! And it’s right up there in the Superstitions." No one has yet convinced me.
There are several accounts of where and how the so-called Peralta Stones were found, but none of them hold up to even casual scrutiny. At this point in time, it doesn’t make a lot of difference where they came from; there doesn’t seem to be any grounds for criminal prosecution, and the statute of limitations would have long since run, anyway.
The stone tablets are now in possession of the Arizona Museum of Mines and Minerals in Phoenix. They’re not on display, but the folks at the museum will be happy to show them to anyone who is interested. They’ll also be happy to tell you what they know about them, which is plenty. No one at the museum believes that they are anything but a hoax. I’ve seen them, I’ve handled them, and even to my unschooled eye, they are a joke.
The stones have been examined by a number of experts in various related fields over the years, but the most careful and pains-taking examination was by Father Charles Polzer, a Jesuit priest and a well-known ethnohistorian associated with the Southwestern Mission Research Center at the Arizona State Museum. Father Polzer’s work is highly regarded, and he can easily be described as eminent in his field. He reportedly laughed when he was told that the drawings were purported to be more than a hundred years old.
Upon close examination, Father Polzer found that the surface of the stones had been milled with modern machinery before the drawings were inscribed thereon. And he went on to say, "…the drawings were cut into the stones with modern tools. The language and lettering is modern, if somewhat illiterate Spanish, clearly not colonial Spanish. The heart shape drawn on stone #3 is strictly of Northern European or Anglo character; Spaniards never depicted the idea of a heart with this kind of geometry." He went on at length describing more discrepancies, and in the end he concluded that, "…the stone carvings are a hoax of relatively recent origin."
A magazine writer who I met in Apache Junction, Arizona, a few years ago told me that he had considered using photos of the Peralta maps to illustrate a series of magazine articles that he was writing at the time. The stones were on display at the Southwestern Museum in Mesa, Arizona, and he arranged to examine them closely with a stone cutter who had years of experience carving names, dates, and other data on gravestones. The stone cutter told him that the Peralta Stones were bogus; the lettering and drawing, though crude in appearance, was too smooth and uniform in places to have been done with hammer and chisel. He suspected an amateur carved the stones with an electric drill or a grinder and then roughed them up a bit to create the appearance of age. He didn’t know of Father Polzer’s analysis, but he came to many of the same conclusions. He was sure that the surface of the stones had been smoothed by machinery rather than by natural erosion or friction between two stones, which was the standard method of smoothing stones for carving a hundred years ago. The writer – I don’t recall his name and haven’t seen him since – decided not to mention the Peralta Stones in his articles.
Much has been made over the years of the drawings on rocks and canyon walls in the Superstition Mountains. I’ve seen some of them, and frankly, I can’t make head or tail of any of them. I seriously doubt that any of them have any connection with the Lost Dutchman mine or any other treasure. Petroglyphs are common in the Southwest. I believe that the original drawings were probably made years ago by indigenous Indians, and then they were added to over a period of years by others, possibly Spanish miners, early Mexican and American travelers, or latter-day high-school-boys hiking in the mountains. If they have ever led anyone to a pile of gold anywhere, the lucky hunter has been mighty quiet about it.
One writer claims that the phrase El Cobollo De Santa Fe inscribed on one of the stones was a common saying meaning, "Good luck on the trail." The Spanish word for horse is misspelled; caballo is correct. The term "el caballo de Santa Fe" appears in Spanish language literature, but I am unable to find anyone who can recall ever seeing it used in the context of "Good luck on the trail." The words simply do not lend themselves to that meaning.
In a story about early California missionaries, a priest is quoted, "Yo soy el caballo de Santa Fe." In the context in which the phrase is used, the priest clearly means: "I am the horse (the servant) of the Holy Faith." In another story, a tax collector in conversation with a wealthy merchant in New Mexico in the early 19th century says, "No tengo la culpa, Señor. Yo soy el caballo de Santa Fe, nada mas." Here he clearly means: "It’s not my fault, sir. I am the horse (the servant) of Santa Fe (the seat of the territorial government), nothing more." I’m sure there are many other examples, but I don’t have the patience or the inclination to look them up at the moment.
I’m going to venture a guess that the person who did the scribbling on the Peralta Stones was an English speaker with little knowledge of the Spanish language and culture. The mistakes in the Spanish are such that I am led to this conclusion, but that’s only my opinion.
A number of people have alleged that they have compared the drawings on the stones to topographical maps of various places in the Superstition Mountains and found them to coincide with the terrain. I have no doubt that I could make rough tracings from the stones and superimpose them over approximately corresponding terrain on dozens of contour maps of parts of many mountains in the Southwest with about the same results. It’s a game, child’s play, and it’s meaningless.
Many people have been convinced of the authenticity of the Peralta Stones because the Peralta family name is mentioned so often in the history books. It’s true that the Peraltas were many and that some of them were quite prominent in business and in politics in their time. Don Pedro de Peralta was installed in 1609 as the first governor of the Spanish Territory of New Mexico. The territory actually had a more elaborate Spanish name suggesting a kingdom, and it included almost the whole southwestern quarter of the United States, but it’s usually referred to as the Spanish territory, so I’ll leave it at that.
Don Pedro was so far from Spain that he did pretty much as he pleased in the name of the king, and he appointed his relatives to all of the important government posts in the territory. He also had the power to make land grants in the name of the king, and he did so for several of his friends and relatives. One of the largest Spanish land grants in the New World was the famous Peralta holding in California, which was held intact until the late 19th century by Don Luis Peralta and his heirs.
Peraltas multiplied at an astonishing rate in the New Mexico territory, as well as in Chihuahua and Sonora. Peralta became a common family name, and there were thousands of them by the middle of the 19th century. Today Peralta is still a common surname in Mexico and the U.S. Southwest. The Phoenix telephone directory lists dozens, and every city in California and New Mexico has its fair share of Peraltas.
So who are these particular Peraltas who figure so prominently in the Lost Dutchman legend? The two blamed most often are Pablo Peralta and his youngest son, Miguel. They were real people, prospectors and miners; however, I fictionalized their roles somewhat in Quest for Gold.
Pablo Peralta owned a silver mine in Ures, Sonora, for many years, but by the middle of the 19th century the silver was about exhausted and corruption in the local government forced him to abandon the mine. He moved his family to the Mother Lode country in Central California. There is substantial documentary evidence of their presence in Tuolumne County during the Gold Rush years.
It was probably about 1863 when Pablo and Miguel left California and went to Arizona. They held a registered mining claim on the Agua Fria River a few miles from present day Black Canyon City, and they called their mine the Valenciana, the same name as the abandoned silver mine in Mexico. The existence and location of that mine is well documented, and prospectors today occasionally rework the tailings that the Peraltas left behind.
In all probability, the Valenciana produced a fair amount of gold, but Indian raids were always a problem, and Pablo and Miguel were attacked several times. During one of the battles an Indian with a lance seriously wounded Pablo. Miguel then sold the mine to a group of investors from California, and they moved to the new town of Wickenburg, about a hundred miles to the southwest, which was booming after the discovery of the Vulture mine.
Shortly after they arrived in Wickenburg, Pablo died of his wounds. Miguel then opened a dry goods store, married, and prospered. He opened a second store in Seymour when the Central Arizona Mining Company constructed its stamp mill there in 1879. Later on, he moved to Phoenix where he opened a larger general merchandise store at the corner of Washington Street and Center Street – now Central Avenue – the geographical center of the modern Phoenix.
The relationship between Jacob Waltz and Miguel Peralta portrayed in Quest for Gold is fictitious; however, it’s reasonable to assume that they knew each other at least casually. They were in the same places in California and Arizona at the same times, and they were doing much the same thing, looking for gold. Miguel was well-known in Phoenix, and Phoenix was a small community in the 1880s. Nevertheless, I am convinced that neither Pablo nor Miguel had any connection with a gold mine in the Superstition Mountains. I doubt that they were ever anywhere near the Superstitions.
Although there were several authentic Spanish land grants in what is now the State of Arizona, none of them involved anyone with the surname Peralta. However, there is reason to believe that Miguel was involved with Doc Willing and James Addison Reavis in the infamous Peralta-Reavis Spanish Land Grant affair, which was a complete fabrication and a fraud. Doctor Willing died of natural causes in 1872 before the fraud was discovered, James Addison Reavis ultimately went to prison for his part in the scheme, and Miguel fled to Mexico. He later took his own life in a Nogales, Sonora, hotel room. But that’s another story.
All of this, of course, does not preclude the possibility that some of the other Peraltas may have mined gold and/or silver in the Superstition Mountains during some period of time. There is evidence of early Spanish and Mexican mining activity in the general area, and it’s reasonable to assume that some of the Peraltas would have had a hand in it, given their numbers and the prominence of the family.
Getting back to the Peralta Stones, one writer assures us that Professor Dana, a geologist at the University of Redlands in California, examined the stones and issued a letter attesting to the fact that they were more than one hundred years old. If such a letter ever existed, I know of no one who has ever seen it or knows what may have happened to it. I can find no record of it anywhere.
The University of Redlands was founded as a liberal arts college in 1907. The university has since covered a broad field of studies over the years and currently offers more than forty majors in thirty departments. Professor Dana is not presently on the faculty, and the person I talked to in the admissions office had never heard of him. She couldn’t tell me if he might have been on the faculty prior to 1965, but if he was there, he couldn’t have been a professor of geology. Geology has never been taught at the University of Redlands.
There have been a number of published comments in Desert Magazine since the stories about the Peralta Stones were published, and many of them serve to confuse the issue even more. One writer wrote that the father of a friend had been the Arizona State Mine Inspector during the time Jacob Waltz was alive, and he contended that Jacob Waltz’s gold looked like it was highgraded from the Vulture mine.
When Jacob Waltz died in 1891, Arizona was a territory; statehood did not come until 1912. The territorial government registered claims and protected property rights, after a fashion, but it did nothing else to control the mining industry. There was no Mine Inspector in Jacob Waltz’s time. The first mine inspector in Arizona was appointed in 1912; however, he didn’t actually get around to inspecting any mines until late in 1913. Jacob Waltz had been in the ground more than twenty years and the only gold samples known to have been in his possession had disappeared on the day he was buried.
It is, of course, possible for a trained individual to determine with a reasonable amount of certainty what mine or mining district a particular ore sample came from, but the process is more involved than just looking at an ore sample. One chunk of ore looks pretty much like all other chunks of ore to the naked eye. However, there are many people who still believe that Jacob Waltz’s gold was stolen from the Vulture mine. I don’t believe it for the simple reason that every merchant in Wickenburg was buying highgraded Vulture gold directly from miners in those years. Certainly they knew that the gold was stolen from the mine, but there were no questions asked and no tales told. There was no reason for Jacob Waltz to travel all the way to Wickenburg to buy highgraded gold from the miners, and there is not one scrap of evidence that he did so.
There is evidence that Jacob Waltz went to Wickenburg with Jack Swilling and a group of German miners from the Weaver district in 1863. Swilling, an engineer, went there to build the Corbin mill on the Hassayampa River about eight or ten miles northeast of the Vulture mine. And there is also evidence that many of those who helped in the construction stayed on to work at the mill after it was finished. The Corbin Mill processed a considerable amount of ore from the Vulture, and Waltz would probably have had access to Vulture gold at that time. It is most likely, however, that he never actually worked at the Vulture mine.
It is equally probable that Jacob Waltz left Wickenburg when the Corbin mill closed and Swelling and his crew of German immigrants went to Phoenix to dig irrigation canals. The first canal was called the Dutch Ditch because so many of those involved in its digging were Germans, all of whom were offered quarter section homesteads when the ditch was completed. Jacob Waltz’s homestead is well-documented, so we can assume that he was one of the ditch diggers. All of this is speculation, of course, but it seems to me to be reasonable speculation, much more so than the stories that have him living in Phoenix and running back and forth to the Vulture mine to fence gold ore for the miners. Sixty miles was a long trip in those days.
I don’t know if the Lost Dutchman gold mine ever existed, but if Jacob Waltz did have such a mine, I doubt that it was in the Superstition Mountains. The experienced prospectors and gold miners that I have talked to in recent years have told me that the amount of gold likely to be found in the Superstitions isn’t worth the effort to locate it. Phelps-Dodge Mining Company, one of the largest in the world, surveyed the mountains years ago and came to the same conclusion. But Jacob Waltz did have a lot of gold when he was living in Phoenix, and its source has never been satisfactorily explained. Let’s keep in mind, though, that he was a prospector and a gold miner all of his life, and he was pretty good at it. The Southwest desert is full of gold; you just have to know where to look, how to recognize it when you find it, and how to get it out of the ground and into your pocket. None of that would have been much of a problem for Jacob Waltz.
If Mr. X, the latest treasure hunter to find and interpret the infamous Peralta Stones, is digging in the Superstition Mountains, he’s going to be in a heap of trouble when the rangers catch him, and they surely will. The western portion of the Superstitions was made a national wilderness area in 1983, and it’s been closed to prospecting and mining ever since. A few folks who had claims prior to 1983 were allowed to continue to work them for a time, but I don’t believe any of those claims are still being worked today. Limited treasure hunting can legally be done only with a permit issued by the Forest Service. However, when I last talked to a forest ranger in that area, they had not yet issued one permit to search for the Lost Dutchman treasure, and the ranger told me that it was unlikely that they would ever issue one. The real treasure of the Superstitions is in the scenery, the flora, and the wildlife, and the forest rangers are serious about protecting it.
I, of course, don’t know where Mr. X is excavating; however, if he’s in the desert west of the mountains, where many people believe the treasure is located, he’s just as likely to be in trouble when he’s caught. Digging in the Lost Dutchman State Park, on Arizona State Trust Land, or on private property without permission could result in serious consequences.
I believe at last count there were one hundred thirty-four people who have over the years claimed to have found the Lost Dutchman gold, but not one flake of gold that can reasonable be proven to have come from the Lost Dutchman mine has yet been produced. Yes…I’ve heard about the famous matchbox, and I don’t believe that, either. Brownie Holmes was about as credible as was his father.
I am tired of reading selected opinions from people who are going to loose their "Great" reputations because they do not understand the Peralta Stone Maps. They cannot figure them out so they make a shot in the dark desision that the Sones are fake. It does not take the average person who has an average thinking process long to understand that maybe they are true. then again maybe they are false. The only people who have tried to discredit the Peralta Stones are those who have time and money at stake. They believe that their opinions about where the Peralta Mines are the only true answers.
I bet that Mr. Botts would not put his reputation on the line .............but then maybe he aready has. Maybe his piped up beliefs he has spent so much time trying to get others to believe in is going to fall down around him. The answer is coming soon . You will be able to walk right up to the mines. The Mr. Botts of this country are going to disappear along with their theories.
Bandit
"The Peralta Stones are fakes! There is no doubt about it! They're not even very good fakes". "The whole thing is a hoax, dreamed up and perpetrated by God-only-knows who for God-only-knows what reason. The evidence is clear, convincing, and unequivocal".
Mr Botts begins his rather long winded and wandering article with some pretty strong expressions of his "opinions" about the authenticity of the Stone Maps. He brings to attention his background as a federal criminal investigator, but shows no hint of any professional format or methodology in his evaluation of the Stone Maps . I spent almost an entire evening wading through his ramblings in search of his 'clear, convincing, and unequivocal evidence'.
"A magazine writer who I met in Apache Junction",............................."The writer - I don't recall his name and haven't seen him since"...
Were this individuals comments offered by you Mr. Botts as part of your "Clear, convincing, and unequivocal" evidence? Would it not be fair for us to at least expect a verifiable name from a former federal criminal investigator that is in the process of presenting us with his "Clear, convincing, and unequivocal" evidence?
The stones have been examined by a number of experts in various related fields over the years,
I suppose "Experts in various fields" is an example of Mr. Botts' "clear, convincing, and unequivocal" Evidence? Is this what our Government trains or federal criminal investigators to believe "clear, convincing, and unequivocal" Evidence is?
"a stone cutter who had years of experience carving names, dates, and other data on gravestones" ..............
"He suspected an amateur carved the stones with an electric drill or a grinder and then roughed them up a bit to create the appearance of age".
Well, here we have a Stone Cutter! I am impressed now... I don't even care if he has a name or not, This is obviously "clear, convincing, and unequivocal" Evidence! I guess I will just have to let you win this one Mr. Botts!
"the most careful and pains-taking examination was by Father Charles Polzer, a Jesuit priest and a well-known ethnohistorian associated with the Southwestern Mission Research Center at the Arizona State Museum. Father Polzer's work is highly regarded, and he can easily be described as eminent in his field. He reportedly laughed when he was told that the drawings were purported to be more than a hundred years old. Upon close examination, Father Polzer found that the surface of the stones had been milled with modern machinery before the drawings were inscribed thereon. And he went on to say, "the drawings were cut into the stones with modern tools. and in the end he concluded that, "the stone carvings are a hoax of relatively recent origin."
At this point, I am very reluctant to trust Mr. Botts' ability or willingness to attempt to quote, evaluate or represent anyone else's opinion in any form of credible manner. I wonder if he could get Father Polzer to put any of this in writing for us all to review? If we are to believe everything Mr. Botts says, we could hire Father Polzer and the Stone Cutter friend of his and get rid of the entire FBI and close their Labs.
One chilly evening in the winter of 1998, I was sitting beside campfire in the Superstition Mountains along with approximately 8 other individuals listening to the then former Attorney General of the State of Arizona (Mr. Robert Corbin) telling us an experience he had with these very same Stone Maps. To the best of my recollection the story went something like this: Someone had come to the AG's office when Mr. Corbin was the sitting AG, to file a complaint regarding the ownership of these Stone Maps. While in the process of attempting to make every possible effort Mr Corbin could think of to determine who actually was the rightful owner of the stones, The matter of where and when they were found and dug up brought into the situation, the question of whether or not they were covered by the Antiquities Law? Under the circumstances, Mr. Corbin confiscated the Stones and had them shipped to the FBI Labs (I believe he said in Washington, DC but I am not sure) to see if they could determine the age of the writing on the Stones, and/or anything else that might help determine their origin . Mr. Corbin told us that evening beside the campfire that when the FBI returned the Stones to him with their evaluation, that the only the thing the FBI would commit themselves to reporting about the writing on the Stones was that it was over 100 years old. Mr. Corbin then stated that in view of this information he determined that the Stone Maps, No matter who made them or why... Were covered under the Antiquities Law, and refused to return them to either of the parties claiming ownership. He then placed them where they are today at the Arizona Museum of Mines and Minerals in Phoenix to be preserved as Relics of Arizona History! Had it been possible to determine the actual method that had been used to carve these stones, I fully believe the FBI could and would have done it at that time. I mean no disrespect for the opinions of Father Polzer whatever they might be, or heaven forbid.... The unknown Stone Cuter, But I tend to put more faith in the above related story than anything Mr. Botts has presented herein.
"If Mr. X, the latest treasure hunter to find and interpret the infamous Peralta Stones, is digging in the Superstition Mountains, he's going to be in a heap of trouble when the rangers catch him, and they surely will". "I, of course, don't know where Mr. X is excavating; however, if he's in the desert west of the mountains, where many people believe the treasure is located, he's just as likely to be in trouble when he's caught. Digging in the Lost Dutchman State Park, on Arizona State Trust Land, or on private property withhout permission could result in serious consequences".
Since Mr. Botts states that he has no idea of where Mr. X is working, I can only assume that his experience as a former federal criminal investigator, makes him feel he has the right to fabricate the worst possible scenarios and suggest that Mr.X might be guilty of them!
I do, happen to know where Mr. X's location is and wish to state here for the reader that his area is not in any of the areas described by Mr. Botts that are closed for mineral exploration. Seems to me that Mr. Botts would have had the necessary contacts to find this out prior to issuing his warnings to Mr.X.
"There are several accounts of where and how the so-called Peralta Stones were found, but none of them hold up to even casual scrutiny".
Perhaps Mr. Botts, a little more effort on your part, than you were willing to put forth, might be required to determine the truth about where and how they were found. Then again, it may be entirely possible that you would never discover the truth no matter how much effort you put into trying to find it. Still, this would not result in any kind of verification that nobody else knew the truth!
"I believe at last count there were one hundred thirty-four people who have over the years claimed to have found the Lost Dutchman gold, but not one flake of gold that can reasonable be proven to have come from the Lost Dutchman mine has yet been produced".
I don't know how to explain this to you Mr. Botts, you being a former federal criminal investigator and all, but someday you are going to have to admit to someone, sometime that there does exist certain bits knowledge in the world that has not been cleared through you!
"Yes I've heard about the famous matchbox, and I don't believe that, either".
Have you got some more of your 'clear, convincing, and unequivocal evidence' to support your theory of the FAKE matchbox, or is this just another one of those things you would like us to take your word for? Perhaps you would like to provide us with a few words from an old Jeweler who's name you can no longer recall that claimed the matchbox was really just a gold plated chunk of lead?
Brownie Holmes was about as credible as was his father.
Is there nothing sacred to you at all? I'll tell you what Mr. Botts, (It gets increasingly difficult for me to refer to you in that way, so I am glad that this will be my last comment)
I wasn't aware of the fact that you knew Brownie Holmes Mr. Botts. I never did get to meet and know Brownie myself, but I sure do know a bunch of people that did. Of all the people I know that knew him, to my knowledge, you are the only living person I have ever known to utter an unkind word about the man.
I seriously doubt that your words will ever influence the way anyone ever remembers Brownie Holmes Mr. Botts. But... I would bet the Ranch, that they will forever influence the way a lot of people remember you!
Jim Hatt 10/17/02
My article, The Infamous Peralta Stones, has been posted for a few months now, and it's generated about all of the rants I can expect. So I'll respond once and for all.
My article is not and was not intended to be a report of an exhaustive investigation undertaken by me. I hadn't thought of the Peralta Stones or the Lost Dutchman legend in years, and the article, which I started as a letter-to-the-editor, was written from memory. I spent some time looking into this matter while I was writing Quest for Gold, and I stopped when it became clear that the stones are fakes. I don't intend to do it again.
I'm not selling anything, and I stand to gain nothing. My only book on this topic, Quest for Gold, was clearly labeled fiction. It was an adventure story for teenagers, and it has been out-of-print for some time. My only motive was to warn anyone contemplating investing time and money in any treasure-hunting scheme based the so-called Peralta Stones to be wary.
The Peralta Stones are clearly a hoax, and the evidence is readily available to anyone who cares to look. Father Polzer's credentials and his extensive writings are available at the University of Arizona, on the Internet, and in many libraries. The stones are in the custody of the Arizona Mines and Minerals Museum in Phoenix, and the staff there has quite a lot of background information concerning their authenticity. Every knowledgeable person who I spoke to about the Peralta Stones believes them to be fakes.
Mr. Hatt's remark is the first that I've heard that the Peralta Stones were ever examined at the FBI Laboratory. I find that very hard to believe. I've had some personal experience with the FBI Laboratory, albeit a number of years ago, and I don't think that they would undertake such an examination. If an official of the State of Arizona had a legitimate reason to determine the authenticity of the Peralta Stones, there are ample resources for such an examination available to him within the state. If for some reason he wanted to have it done at the federal level, I would think that the Smithsonian would be the proper place to send them, not the FBI Laboratory.
To me the evidence is clear; it is convincing, and it is unequivocal that the Peralta Stones are a hoax. If others care to believe they are authentic, that's their privilege, so long as they don't try to scam anyone with false promises of fortune in return for investment.
To believe that my reputation rests on my opinion of something so silly as the question of the Peralta Stones is just plain ridiculous. And this will be my last word on the topic unless and until someone shows me the gold.
Gene Botts - November 16, 2002
Knowing very little about Father Polzer myself, I decided to do a little Internet research and see if I could find his comments on the Stone Maps on the Internet. My repeated attempts produced no results relating to the Maps, However. . . There is a lot of information pertaining to Father Polzer himself on the Internet. Contrary to Mr. Bott's beliefs, it appears that Father Polzer's opinion and credibility are often disputed, especially in cases where his conclusions might be a little self serving.
Finally, as a parting shot Polzer says:
"Her remarks about the government's failure to approach the Apaches are contrary to fact. The reality is that no Apache bothered to take up this cause until non-Indians coaxed certain long-term, political dissidents to block construction of the telescope".
As shown earlier, this is a blatant lie. The Apache received no such letter and the EIS had a letter stating the Apache position on Mt. Graham. What makes Polzer's statements so incredulous is that fact that he was the curator of Ethnohistory and the Documentary Relations of the Southwest Project at the Arizona State Museum at the University of Arizona, which contains among other items, the Grenville Goodwin papers.
Apache ceremonies do not leave traces or shrines, except perhaps a small fire area and scattered pollen. Even over centuries, there is no built evidence to prove possession. The Ninth Circuit Court echoed Father Coyne. The Apache had failed to show that the sacred locale first named by the Apache also included a second locale claimed by the astronomers. The second site was not proven to be sacred, in part, because it was 1,300 feet from the first. How could both be sacred? The more extravagant Father Polzer simply presented false information in courts: "Rarely did the Apaches use these heights, and the Œsacredness is about as specific as references to the sky.
Now. . . Let's assume for just one minute that Father Polzer had immediately upon examination determined in his own mind that the Stone Maps were authentic and did in fact (If deciphered correctly) lead to some hidden Jesuit Treasure. Does anyone believe that it would have been in his own best interest to say so?
I think NOT!
In reference to the FBI evaluation of the Stone Maps. I have have to admit that I have no idea if the FBI performed the evaluation or not, or if they sent them out for evaluation. I simply passed on a story that I heard told from Bob Corbin's Lips myself. I personally cannot testify to the truthfulness of the story, but I can tell you this. I have never seen his credibility disputed in the way Father Polzer's is above.
Jim Hatt November 21, 2002
First, I would like to commend Mr Botts for placing all this info on his site for all the rest of us to comment on. I am a little taken back however by the fact that everything presented by Mr Botts is in the negative. In other words he only seems to quote and give credence to those who believe the Peralta Stones are a hoax. So I commend Mr. Hatt also for pointing out all the flaws in the arguements presented by the doubters. I personall identify with Mr Hatt. I have spent the last 24 years decyphering the Spanish Code system as used in the New World and I can state without hesitation that the code used in the carved Peralta Stones are 100% genuine. The stones employ the Spanish Alphabet code, Their Bible code, their numbers code and their is a ample supply of their code words as well. It appears that Mr. Hatt is correct when he states that people who don,t understand the stones simply take the easy way out and call them phony. The Stones are genuine.
Lou Layton Jan 7. 2003
You have a very nice web site. I am writing concerning two things, #1) the dutchman has been found, read about in the book by Charles Kenworthy titled "Treasure Secrets of the Lost Dutchman", (or something to that effect). The second reason I'm writing concerns the "horse" rock map. I scanned, very quickly, through your break down of the symbols and words, a couple of things hit me. First of all, the horse is a map in itself, its rump area represents two hills, and the tail represents a river or an arroya that flows around these hills, and once you get to this point of the map while out in the field, then the rest of the info on the rock comes into play, and helps to pin-point the mines. There is a lot of info on this map and it's heavily coded. The word Pedro tells you that the book of Peter, in the bible, will help guide you in the final distance to the treasure/mine (the mines almost always contain the accumulated treasure of gold or silver or both). Once you find the triangle in the field, you are within a stones throw of the treasure. It should also be said that the horse itself gives a distance, or time span. It represents the beginning of the trail, which is, I believe, six or seven days from the treasure, the horse tells us this by its completeness, a horse with one leg is one day, two legs is two days, etc, etc.. I don't recall exactly what time is represented by a complete horse, but it's either six or seven days. As you can imagine, some signs are mis-interpreted because of being wrongly identified, imagine what a stick horse petroglyph with one leg would look like ?????? Also, there are two books by Peter in the bible, but both are short, and it's been my experience that, once the chapter and verse are found in the field, both books say the same thing. 2/1/03
June 2004
Dear Sirs:
Mr. Botts, in his critique of the Peralta Stones uses some rather dubious methods to discredit the stones. For whatever their reasons, "experts" have used disingenuous means to discredit something they really are not qualified to judge.
The first issue raised is the quality of the carving found on the Peralta Stones. How many of these so called "experts" have toured the medieval cathedrals of Europe? The stone work is superb - much better than the quality of the Peralta Stones and done centuries before the Peralta Stones. The "experts" claim it would take modern high tech equipment to replicate the Peralta Stones. Modern stonemasons will admit their craft has lost and forgotten many of the techniques of the medieval stonemasons. Yet, I've seen stonemasons in Mexico prepare beautiful headstones with nothing more than a mallet, several chisels and various forms of abrasives. My final argument to this issue is - did Michelangelo or Rodin use modern high tech equipment to produce their masterpieces? I think not.
The second issue raised is the words and their spellings. As a citizen of an English speaking country, I've traveled to other English speaking countries and behold there are differences in the use and spelling of English words and phrases. This is common throughout the world - no matter the language. Even in Spanish speaking countries. There are hundreds of dialects of the Chinese language. Some Chinese cannot speak with other Chinese due to the regional differences in their uses of the Chinese language. Today, older Americans have a problem understanding younger Americans. Examples are endless. Anyway, the use of the words is immaterial - the words and their misspellings were added as a ruse to distract a person like a magician.
The third issue raised is the use of the "Heart" symbol. A noted Southwestern historian provided his opinion the stones were fakes based in part on the expressed fact the colonial Spanish didn't use the "Heart" as a symbol. WRONG! During the later 17th century a famous series of visitations by Jesus Christ occurred. Jesus appeared to a woman by the name of Margaret Marie Alacoque who later became Saint Margaret Mary. The name Margaret Mary is one of the most popular names adopted by nuns. In her visions Saint Margaret Mary saw a "heart shape surrounded by a crown of thorns."
These visitations were well known throughout the Catholic world. The worldwide Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Devotion to the Heart of Mary resulted. An order of Catholic Brothers called The Brothers of the Sacred Heart was organized. The Catholic Church says the "Heart" is a centuries old symbol of Christ on the cross. On occasion, the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) have been symbolically identified through the use of the "Heart." There are numerous 12th through 19th century cathedrals throughout the world that have stained glass windows containing "Heart" shaped symbols. I pray that when these "experts" arrive in heaven they're prepared to explain to Saint Margaret Mary.
The last issue raised is the stone maps do not appear to relate to any area within the Superstition Mountains. The Florence Quadrangle Map of 1902 is often used as a basis. Until cartographers began using airborne radar, GPS, computers, satellite imaging, and laser surveying equipment, maps were commonly known to be imprecise. The maps made by the Spaniards of the 16th through the 18th centuries are notoriously imprecise compared to modern maps. Comparing two imprecise maps with each other in order to disqualify one is not good science. Compare the Florence Quadrangle Map to the modern maps made with the latest cartographic equipment. An "expert" might claim the Florence Quadrangle Map to be a "fake." Trying to precisely relate any feature on the Peralta Stones with reality requires the understanding the Spanish failed to have the latest in 21st century technology.
The final solution to the stone maps does not in anyway require the use of the words. Also remember the Spaniards/Mexicans didn't have 21st century technology. KISS is what's needed to solve the Peralta Stones.
J Sieglitz -- June 27, 2004
I am writing regarding the article titled "The Infamous Peralta Stones" by Gene Botts.
He states that the University of Redlands never had a geology department and could not find Professor Dana.
I graduated from the U of R in 1972 having taken a year and a half of geology classes under Dr. Dana who was an expert in seismology, himself having studied under Dr. Charles Richter (as in Richter scale) at Cal Tech.
So while the U of R no longer has a geology department, I can assure you that they did in the past and that it was headed by Dr. Dana.
The secretary of the admissions office had probably not worked there long enough to know of the defunct geology department or the staff who worked there over 30 years ago.
Even so, a geologist would not be the person to ask regarding the age of a stone tablet. He might shed light on the age of the rock itself, but not the writing on it. And in geological time, a hundred years is almost nothing.
Ward Schmidt -- 09/07/04
LOL
the blindbowman
high i am the blindbowman ...
i know where the LDM is and yes the peralta stones are real even if they have had missleeding changes done when the dutchman killed the peralta . when it is time i will in fact prove they are real ...
i agree the machineing was done after the stones where found ...some changes were made by the dutchman to missleed people at the time . i can prove that they are real and how they got to the place they were found .....and who put them there .
i know where the LDM is and it is real and i will prove it when the goverment agrees to my clam ....
fake .. lol you keep telling your self that ...
the stones are not translated the way you think ..
that a boy Jim Hatt
the blindbowman
your are right on money . thats why i agree with my choice to select you as one of the people i will share my find with ...
and thats where the stones should be ...when the jesuit treasure and the LDM are made public i will be very glad to explan all the cluse that matter and why . and wish ones are real and what is fake or missleeding ... from the truth ..
the stones are not fakes ... as a navagational special ops QM and a avationial machinist in red diamond surface grinding ops , and skilled in binary machine languages , the Perlata stones are not fake.....
Jim if you read this reply i want to talk to you and the other 4 men ...
Busca El Coazon
Jim Hatt
Apache Junction, Arizona
Blindbowman,
I do not question your knowledge about the lay of the land out in the mountains and the possibility that you may have figured out where the area is that the stone maps apply to. There are however flaws in how some of your historical information about the stone maps fits with your theories about the stone maps. Although there are some that believe that there are signs of machining on the stone maps this has not been proven and remains in the category of ¶Personal OpinionŸ which carries about as much weight as speculation and gut feelings. About the Dutchman making changes to the stone maps? That is a tough one to get comfortable with. Over the years I have developed the opinion that the Lost Dutchman Mine could actually be one of the locations on the stone maps, but I dont believe the Dutchman (Jacob Waltz) ever had any knowledge of their existence or personal contact with them. If recorded history is correct, they laid lost in the desert for the entire period when the Dutchman was prospecting and mining in Arizona, and were not found until almost 60 years after his death. Dont take these comments personal, I believe your experience in navigational special ops and binary machine languages may be just what is needed to solve the mystery of the stone maps, and you may have already done it for all I know.
When you say you want to talk to me and ¶the other 4 menŸ I assume you are referring to the other 4 men in the Lost Dutchman documentary done by A&E. I must remind you what was said at the beginning of that show ¶These five men rarely ride together, and keep their own secret hunches and clues to themselvesŸ. Those words were not the words of any of the 5 men we refer to here. Those words came from the Producer and Editors of the documentary based on observations made by the director during interviews with potential participants in the show and the actual filming of it. Although we all respect the others for past personal accomplishments and individual dedication to the belief in and time invested in the search for the Lost Dutchman Mine, when it comes down to actually searching for it, each man has his own set of clues that he has come to believe in and his own separate path to follow in pursuit of that goal.
It has been my own experience through association with the other four men in the documentary (as well as various other long term searchers) and lessons learned from their experiences that they openly shared with me, that firm partnerships between dedicated searchers are rare and seldom exist without conflict of one kind or another. Brownie Holmes (one of the earliest and well known searchers for the LDM) was well known for making the comment ¶Dutch-hunting is a solitary thingŸ when approached by others seeking to become partners with him. The spirit of competition, differences of opinion, individual personalities, paranoia and greed have independently and collectively crept into and ultimately destroyed what may have begun as a strong partnership many times over the years.
Regarding the stone maps, I have personally tried to convince the other four men you mention that the stone maps are in my opinion authentic, and if properly deciphered could possibly lead to the LDM. It is not a path I would care to go down again.
I look forward to you or anyone else vindicating the faith I have maintained in the validity of the stone maps for nearly 20 years. Do not be discouraged by anything I have written concerning any flaws in your historical information concerning the Dutchman or the stone maps. In my opinion, historical information is not a necessary component in solving the stone maps, for they are a stand alone document that will some day validate themselves without conforming to the legends and lore of the lost Dutchman Mine.
Good Luck in your search and,
¶Busca El CoazonŸ my friend!
Jim Hatt
well stated jim
let me put on my stright face ...
the dutchman never saw the maps ! they were made by Kino the peralta's did not make the maps .
in fact the peralta only found the mine and never knew the tunnle was there at all .. no one but kino knew and the jesuits of corse ....
how do i know the house in the cave was made by jesuit not spaniards . or the peralta ...
look at what makes the logical formatt . the reason the peralta did not take the jesuit treasures is they had no idea they were even there ... the peralta stones are not from the peralta so they would not have seen them at all ...
so what do you have . the mine set out like bait to catch people ...
the Apache watched it all the time ...
remember the dutchman said he shot the peraltos at there camp after they showed him the mine he never said they showed him the tunnle ..
one of the stones points to the heart and another points to the mine it self and those directions that Ruth had were from Kino's writeings him self ....
in concluetion kino made the stones the ruth map and the ruth directions ...
the dutchmans directions only refer to the mine it self ...
yes i do have a full 3 point fix on the mine it self and i know the basic area of the tunnle , with a 3 degree varation ..... is that clkose enough ?
i would like to met someone honest in the area but i am not willing to die to have a friend ..
i found 18 jesuit direction to 18 locations . the stones only point out 6 out of 18 so far ... yet i can prove the others are out there and i beleave i can in fact find them ...
did you see a triangle on the heart stone below the 1847 . that triangle is the old international simble for a navagation 3 point fix ...
but you all would not know that maybe ...
yes i have two bearings and a range to the mine it self ...and yes i can prove that jim
you and clay are the only ones i plan to talk to you sir answerd my reply . and i will share this find with you . help me or not ...
think about 18 treasures + the LDM
you would have to i dont value money ...never have never will
somethink i said no under stood . i stated that the wording that the dutchman had killed the peralta at their camp and thats where the stones were found . and latter stated that the distance they had been found at the camp was out right wrong . because i did in fact know where the mine was and it was no where near the mine ... i did not know that there were other stones found else where at that time ...
do i trust you . lets find out ...
lets talk off this site
i will eat my horse if i am wrong !
lets talk
do you live with in range of the mts? do you have more than one horse ? can you get away for a 3 days ? do you have a car or truck ..?
if i make you wealthy what would you do with it ?
jim i will trust you till you give me a reason not to ...
yes i know where the heart is and where the mine and tunnle are ...
lol
no jim i am not talking about going out there for 10 years or 1 week . i mean a few hours to relocate..
i told you it would not take 10 years
the blindbowman
on Octber 27th i spent 4 1/2 hours and walked over 7 1/2 miles at the hotist part of the day ,,locateing the house in the cave , and yes it is real and it is the frist of my 3 sites that i have lon & lad to locate them .. it was right where i knew it was ... i am sorry me and the other 5 men could not work out a partnership but maybe its for the best ... i wish you all the luck and be safe ...
real treasure
curly top
the real treasure is one you see every time you go up there, but are too busy to see. the rocks, the mountains, hills, smells, and small animals you see out of the corner of your eye. time spent with family, just hiking along. not a care in the world. try to pay for something like that with a pocket full of gold.
Peralta Stone Tablets
James L. Wilson / Author
Apache Junction, AZ
My research can be found in a new book just released. Jan 2007
"Cracking the Golden Egg; In Hot Pursuit of the Lost Dutchman Mine"
I show the maps I drew which led me to the locations of the Peralta Tablet images; which I show in photos.
The Peralta Stone Tablets I believe are one of the only public records known today that reveal the pathway to the Jesuit Church Treasure.
Gene Botts and DesertUSA
RJE
I read your article "The Infamous Peralta Stones" and the reply comments. My son and I visited the minerĂs museum in Phoenix a number of years back. We handled and photographed the stones.
I immediately recognized information on them related to places I was familiar with. They do not tie in with the lost Dutchman mine directly. The cross that shaped like a fat small t represents a place that is in the center of the land of the Ta, which the Romans refer to as Taurus the bull of heaven.
On the temple of the cross in Palinka Mexico you have a Ta cross with a bird of paradise sitting on it, the cross comes out of a pit between the horns of a bullĂs head. This pit represents a fiery pit were a volcano heaved and pushed through the earth with the characteristics of a bull. The word Heaven identifies a place the heaves up. When the above mentioned pit or volcano erupted, it made a cut through the mountain and crossed the river leaving a broad T cross in the mountain of paradise, which is a ancient path that leads to the under world of the ancients and the home or motherland of the Aztecs and most world cultures.
This underworld is guarded in its central part by three of the horses of Hadiez, the word horse goes back to hole of ashes, which were mouths of small volcanoes that have the power to shake mountains. Greek used horses as a symbol to caricaturize power. As flames of a volcano welled up so do horses. Some others cultures use bulls others used griffins or dragons.
The horse drawn on the Peralta Stone has a three on it, which represents the three horses. Which represents the three volcanoes, griffins or cherubimĂs. They purposely spelled the horse of the whole faith with three oĂs. Representing the three mouths, rings, or wheels that are in the center of EzekielĂs Jerusalem, two coming out of one crater and one out of the other. The HopiĂs and most Native Americans refer to them as the twins, also the twin flute players. The third one is called through out history the hunched-backed flute player. This place is the heart of the ancient world and there is a large carved heart and a map at the sight. This is where the Jesuits concealed their treasure. This is where the Aztecs placed theirs. This is the place of first Mantoray. The first Monte Cristo. Dante means the cross of the place of dawn, or the Red Cross. Which is the place the cross on the stone represents.
I could say much more but ancient history identifies this place to the record of the Aztecs calendar. The Salem Witch on one of the stones standing on three steps is the place of the first Salem of history. Those who carved the stones knew about the place where the worldĂs national treasures were stored. I have not scratched the surface on what could be said on this topic. And I am not trying to influence those that want to remain in ignorance or mysteries. If youĂre willing to put up a big enough deposit, I could let you take some gold nuggets that will match the fingerprints of the DutchmanĂs Gold.
My family and I own his mine. The Dutchman was not Jacob Waltz. The man that used the identity of the Dutchman killed the Dutchman. The real Dutchman wore an armored plate under a heavy coat and escaped execution by a firing squad and slipped into Arizona to evade detection. After killing the Dutchmen, north of the salt river of the Native American Indians not the so-called salt river north of the Superstition Mountains. The center mountain of the first Superstition Mountains is shaped somewhat like on eagle covered with several volcanoes that thunder. This is the place of most nativeĂs of AmericanĂs home land the land of the Egyptians and Greek gods.
An American citizen found two Mexicans on his cattle range, and found that they were mining on his property. He believed in what the local Indians had told him. That they were guarding these mines and sacred places which the Jesuit priests had concealed with the help of the local Indians, until the return of the broad hats, my ancestor eight generations back was a Jesuit priest who whore a broad hat who sealed and covered the treasures of the Jesuits and their mines. The information is in records of my family. The Count of Monte Cristo is one of their stories in code. There are two other published accounts in code. Be careful that you are not down on what you are not up on. There are some searchers of these mysteries that are much hotter then others. My family and I have spent over twenty years and about ten million dollars to legally secure my discoveries. I have said enough for one evening. I am curious how many has the intellectual strength to pursue the bigger story. The reason the Dutchman mine has not been found in the past is because those that wanted a free lunch were to lazy are dishonest to think things out.
The mine and treasure places are found by those that put truth first. The found wealth will be used in a nonprofit, for humanitarian purposes. My family and I are capable of supporting ourselves and will not lose our challenge and the glory of creating our own livelihood. We will not use the wealth to run are good family live but for the purpose of helping humanity.
From a man that knows that truth is the strongest foundation to build upon not wants or selfish desires.
WELP, GUESS THAT'S IT FOLKS! YOU'VE ALL BEEN HAD FOR 50 SOME ODD YEARS.. PACK UP, GO HOME, CALL EVERYONE YOU GAVE UP ON TO FIND IT. GET A REAL JOB, CUZ THAT BIRD IS DONE !
33 years old, great wife, 2 beautiful girls, a 120 pound black lab, and a 3 pound shitz-u .email me. to tell me hi, or to tell me to leave you alone. BUT, send me an email either way, cuz i don't give up very easy, just like you. love you. dad... milkmanhatt@hotmail.com and if you are not my dad, and you email me. it will really make me sad. so when you email me, feel free to tell me what i left in the mountains when you got me off of joes perch..
free speech
i'm planning a BIG article for this website. about what this ghost story does to people. how it makes them act, what it does to their families, and how the people write them off as lost in space. OH YES! by the way drifter, it is a federal crime to make threats on someones life on the internet. emails were saved, printed, and stored.
Looks like the milkman got a bad batch of milk or the bowman switched his crop. Where do these Looney Tunes come from? Isn't anyone minding the store here?
Loony Tunes
Roger
El Paso
Milkman, Bowman or who ever you are. It you dont like the topic here and you dont like the people here, why don't you just find yourself another website where you can share ideas with people interested in the same things you are? You would be doing yourself and all the rest of us a big favor!
Date of the stone maps
Maptech
Southern California
It might be a little easier putting a date on the map by utilizing information that was available during the time the map was made and comparing it to information that was available in 1949 when they were discovered, and information available today. For example, all maps need a relativly fixed point to navigate by. In early nagation, this point was either the pole star, or magnetic north. Anyone who navigates by maps knows that both the pole star is not fixed nor magnetic north. In 2012 A.D. we will be changing pole stars to Draco. This due to the fact that polaris will move far enough from the pole position as Draco moves in. Hence the long count calendar renews. Magnetic north moves erraticly. Isogonic lines on aviation charts must be redrawn or renumbered every 10 years due to the fact that magnetic north constantly changes. Any map that is intended to be accuratly navigated by, must contain a isogonic drift to make compass corrections by. On the priest map, you will note the code " 8-N-P " This is the isogonic drift devience. ie. from the point of navigating this map, North Polaris is 8 degrees from magnetic north. Hence 8-N-P. is 8 Norte Polaris. Now, if you use the geomagnetic calculator software developed in 1979 and enter in the lat and long of Weavers Needle and the magnetic varience of 8 degrees, it will churn out the date of March to May of 1767. This is the only time magnetic north was 8 degrees off from the pole star. Today it is around 11.5 degrees off and it has been as much as 14 degrees since 1767. The only time this information was at hand was when the map was made and after 1979. In 1949 when the magnetic variance was 13+ degrees, and when the maps surfaced, nobody knew what the magnetic varience was in 1767. The Jesuits were expelled in 1767 from New Spain. Nobody in 1949 would be able to know what to put as a magnetic drift if they were making a fake map. A computor program had do take the isogonic lines from every map in existance and compute all the variences and fill in all the blanks. There are no maps in existance of the Arizona region with isogonic lines anywhere near that time period. It would take a master map making genious to fake the peralta stones, or a Jesuit in 1767 to produce them. 1847 is not a date. 1751 on the crosses are. In 1751 Madame de Pompadour a married woman was having an affair with the King of Spain, hence the Presiding Jesuit took away the Kings right to communion. Madame de Pompadour was inferriated and insisted the King exercise his athority. This would be the begining on the end for the Jesuits. The Jesuits took a major blow from the King in 1751, he finished them off in 1767 with the Expulsion order after the cloak and hat riots. The Jesuits list 1751 as well as the depiction of the priest in the cloak and hat on their maps as a final slap in the face if the coded maps were to fall in the Kings hands. ie, we hid the gold for you stripping us of our power over these 2 incidents. There are several coded messages in these maps that 2 people would understand. 1 was an Jesuit priest of the time entrusted with this knowledge. He understanding the entire code of the map, and the other would be the Royal Court in Spain, who would if having posession of the map would only know why, not where. The keys to this map is in understanding the 1847 / 10 along with the triangle. The deep bored holes in the trail map. the 3E on the Horse Map. the 6M the purposly play of words EL COAZON the dagger hilt and 18=7 It is not necessary to have both maps to solve the location, it just recomfirms the location by overlaying. This map leads to a place very specific. Most people who try to solve the maps come up with a theory then make the clues lead to that end. Follow the proper directons without any theory, and if you understand the codes, it leads to maps destination.
To Mapquest
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ.
Astronomy abounds in other areas related to these stone maps. First off, lets get rid of the Peralta presumption. If you have an opportunity to examine the stone maps for yourself it will be quite obvious that the word carved on one of the stones is not pedro; it is pedico. The Jesuits were men of God who came from many different countries. One must be as intelligent as his enemy to win a battle. Realizing of course that the Jesuits are not our enemies in this case. We know that this particular Jesuit or? came from Portugal or was aquainted with the Portuguese language, for the word Pedico is used to define shoe. A very important clue which can be found on the maps. I will not say which one. The Stone maps tell us, "Study the Maps". Oh, what the heck! Look at the horses hooves, which one has an anchor on it? Oh Lordy! What is the signifigance of the anchor? Some of you already know, the rest of you have your homework assignment.
Back to astronomy. Mapquest, you are on the right track and there is more. These maps do in fact lead to a location. There are markers that point the direction and how many leagues or miles that you have to go. Many of us could not recognize them and only a few of us have. The markers depicted on the maps can be seen as far as twenty miles away. Study the maps, study the hearts (which there are three of them on the stone maps and three hearts can be found on the site). Oh, by the way you may know the importance of the number three. One more piece of information concerning these maps; all of the clues, symbols, etc. could mean 3 different things. You must determine which meaning is correct. You will have to get up off your butt and start looking at the landscapes around you. Start looking in Apache Junction,AZ. Study the terrain,eventually you will see the Horse of the Holy Faith, he is there, I guarantee it. You will find that much time will be used to study the maps and the ground to which the maps pertain to. When you buy a map to go somewhere, lets say Dallas,TX. You cannot stay home to get there. You must jump in the car and follow the path set before you. Modern maps are pretty easy to follow, the stone maps are too if you know how to read them. Its learning how that is difficult. Matt. 16:19,I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." Make no mistake; Christ is the most important treasure to secure. No treasure on this earth is more valuable than knowing Christ, God's plan of eternal life and salvation. Where's the GOLD! Its out there people. Some depositories are emptied, most have not been disturbed. We all have to make our own decisions concerning hidden and buried treasures. I enjoy the hunt, the discoveries, going head to head with the Authors of these stone tablets, but I enjoy life most of all.
Anyway. Mapquest, the stone maps are for real. The authors wanted to confuse us and wanted us to believe these stones are truely a hoax, they did a damn good job. Once you understand these men and how clever they really are the clues will come to life and you can actually use these maps to find the actual on-ground site.
But first: Find the best experts that will work with you in the following areas:
1. Mathmatics; algebra, geometry, trigonometry, etc.
2. Numerologist, not the same as a mathmetician.
3. Cartologist, map maker, surveyor
4. stone masons,
5. Astronomer, Oh yes.
6. Geologist, obvious
7. The Clergy
8. Artists, rock sculpters
Mapquest. Remember the cross found on the stone maps? What does it relate to in the heavens? National Treasure has some answers, they apply to the maps.
I will remain anonymous at present.
To Mapquest
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ.
Astronomy abounds in other areas related to these stone maps. First off, lets get rid of the Peralta presumption. If you have an opportunity to examine the stone maps for yourself it will be quite obvious that the word carved on one of the stones is not pedro; it is pedico. The Jesuits were men of God who came from many different countries. One must be as intelligent as his enemy to win a battle. Realizing of course that the Jesuits are not our enemies in this case. We know that this particular Jesuit or? came from Portugal or was aquainted with the Portuguese language, for the word Pedico is used to define shoe. A very important clue which can be found on the maps. I will not say which one. The Stone maps tell us, "Study the Maps". Oh, what the heck! Look at the horses hooves, which one has an anchor on it? Oh Lordy! What is the signifigance of the anchor? Some of you already know, the rest of you have your homework assignment.
Back to astronomy. Mapquest, you are on the right track and there is more. These maps do in fact lead to a location. There are markers that point the direction and how many leagues or miles that you have to go. Many of us could not recognize them and only a few of us have. The markers depicted on the maps can be seen as far as twenty miles away. Study the maps, study the hearts (which there are three of them on the stone maps and three hearts can be found on the site). Oh, by the way you may know the importance of the number three. One more piece of information concerning these maps; all of the clues, symbols, etc. could mean 3 different things. You must determine which meaning is correct. You will have to get up off your butt and start looking at the landscapes around you. Start looking in Apache Junction,AZ. Study the terrain,eventually you will see the Horse of the Holy Faith, he is there, I guarantee it. You will find that much time will be used to study the maps and the ground to which the maps pertain to. When you buy a map to go somewhere, lets say Dallas,TX. You cannot stay home to get there. You must jump in the car and follow the path set before you. Modern maps are pretty easy to follow, the stone maps are too if you know how to read them. Its learning how that is difficult. Matt. 16:19,I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." Make no mistake; Christ is the most important treasure to secure. No treasure on this earth is more valuable than knowing Christ, God's plan of eternal life and salvation. Where's the GOLD! Its out there people. Some depositories are emptied, most have not been disturbed. We all have to make our own decisions concerning hidden and buried treasures. I enjoy the hunt, the discoveries, going head to head with the Authors of these stone tablets, but I enjoy life most of all.
Anyway. Mapquest, the stone maps are for real. The authors wanted to confuse us and wanted us to believe these stones are truely a hoax, they did a damn good job. Once you understand these men and how clever they really are the clues will come to life and you can actually use these maps to find the actual on-ground site.
But first: Find the best experts that will work with you in the following areas:
1. Mathmatics; algebra, geometry, trigonometry, etc.
2. Numerologist, not the same as a mathmetician.
3. Cartologist, map maker, surveyor
4. stone masons,
5. Astronomer, Oh yes.
6. Geologist, obvious
7. The Clergy
8. Artists, rock sculpters
Mapquest. Remember the cross found on the stone maps? What does it relate to in the heavens? National Treasure has some answers, they apply to the maps.
I will remain anonymous at present.
To Mapquest
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ.
Astronomy abounds in other areas related to these stone maps. First off, lets get rid of the Peralta presumption. If you have an opportunity to examine the stone maps for yourself it will be quite obvious that the word carved on one of the stones is not pedro; it is pedico. The Jesuits were men of God who came from many different countries. One must be as intelligent as his enemy to win a battle. Realizing of course that the Jesuits are not our enemies in this case. We know that this particular Jesuit or? came from Portugal or was aquainted with the Portuguese language, for the word Pedico is used to define shoe. A very important clue which can be found on the maps. I will not say which one. The Stone maps tell us, "Study the Maps". Oh, what the heck! Look at the horses hooves, which one has an anchor on it? Oh Lordy! What is the signifigance of the anchor? Some of you already know, the rest of you have your homework assignment.
Back to astronomy. Mapquest, you are on the right track and there is more. These maps do in fact lead to a location. There are markers that point the direction and how many leagues or miles that you have to go. Many of us could not recognize them and only a few of us have. The markers depicted on the maps can be seen as far as twenty miles away. Study the maps, study the hearts (which there are three of them on the stone maps and three hearts can be found on the site). Oh, by the way you may know the importance of the number three. One more piece of information concerning these maps; all of the clues, symbols, etc. could mean 3 different things. You must determine which meaning is correct. You will have to get up off your butt and start looking at the landscapes around you. Start looking in Apache Junction,AZ. Study the terrain,eventually you will see the Horse of the Holy Faith, he is there, I guarantee it. You will find that much time will be used to study the maps and the ground to which the maps pertain to. When you buy a map to go somewhere, lets say Dallas,TX. You cannot stay home to get there. You must jump in the car and follow the path set before you. Modern maps are pretty easy to follow, the stone maps are too if you know how to read them. Its learning how that is difficult. Matt. 16:19,I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." Make no mistake; Christ is the most important treasure to secure. No treasure on this earth is more valuable than knowing Christ, God's plan of eternal life and salvation. Where's the GOLD! Its out there people. Some depositories are emptied, most have not been disturbed. We all have to make our own decisions concerning hidden and buried treasures. I enjoy the hunt, the discoveries, going head to head with the Authors of these stone tablets, but I enjoy life most of all.
Anyway. Mapquest, the stone maps are for real. The authors wanted to confuse us and wanted us to believe these stones are truely a hoax, they did a damn good job. Once you understand these men and how clever they really are the clues will come to life and you can actually use these maps to find the actual on-ground site.
But first: Find the best experts that will work with you in the following areas:
1. Mathmatics; algebra, geometry, trigonometry, etc.
2. Numerologist, not the same as a mathmetician.
3. Cartologist, map maker, surveyor
4. stone masons,
5. Astronomer, Oh yes.
6. Geologist, obvious
7. The Clergy
8. Artists, rock sculpters
Mapquest. Remember the cross found on the stone maps? What does it relate to in the heavens? National Treasure has some answers, they apply to the maps.
I will remain anonymous at present.
To Mapquest
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ.
Astronomy abounds in other areas related to these stone maps. First off, lets get rid of the Peralta presumption. If you have an opportunity to examine the stone maps for yourself it will be quite obvious that the word carved on one of the stones is not pedro; it is pedico. The Jesuits were men of God who came from many different countries. One must be as intelligent as his enemy to win a battle. Realizing of course that the Jesuits are not our enemies in this case. We know that this particular Jesuit or? came from Portugal or was aquainted with the Portuguese language, for the word Pedico is used to define shoe. A very important clue which can be found on the maps. I will not say which one. The Stone maps tell us, "Study the Maps". Oh, what the heck! Look at the horses hooves, which one has an anchor on it? Oh Lordy! What is the signifigance of the anchor? Some of you already know, the rest of you have your homework assignment.
Back to astronomy. Mapquest, you are on the right track and there is more. These maps do in fact lead to a location. There are markers that point the direction and how many leagues or miles that you have to go. Many of us could not recognize them and only a few of us have. The markers depicted on the maps can be seen as far as twenty miles away. Study the maps, study the hearts (which there are three of them on the stone maps and three hearts can be found on the site). Oh, by the way you may know the importance of the number three. One more piece of information concerning these maps; all of the clues, symbols, etc. could mean 3 different things. You must determine which meaning is correct. You will have to get up off your butt and start looking at the landscapes around you. Start looking in Apache Junction,AZ. Study the terrain,eventually you will see the Horse of the Holy Faith, he is there, I guarantee it. You will find that much time will be used to study the maps and the ground to which the maps pertain to. When you buy a map to go somewhere, lets say Dallas,TX. You cannot stay home to get there. You must jump in the car and follow the path set before you. Modern maps are pretty easy to follow, the stone maps are too if you know how to read them. Its learning how that is difficult. Matt. 16:19,I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." Make no mistake; Christ is the most important treasure to secure. No treasure on this earth is more valuable than knowing Christ, God's plan of eternal life and salvation. Where's the GOLD! Its out there people. Some depositories are emptied, most have not been disturbed. We all have to make our own decisions concerning hidden and buried treasures. I enjoy the hunt, the discoveries, going head to head with the Authors of these stone tablets, but I enjoy life most of all.
Anyway. Mapquest, the stone maps are for real. The authors wanted to confuse us and wanted us to believe these stones are truely a hoax, they did a damn good job. Once you understand these men and how clever they really are the clues will come to life and you can actually use these maps to find the actual on-ground site.
But first: Find the best experts that will work with you in the following areas:
1. Mathmatics; algebra, geometry, trigonometry, etc.
2. Numerologist, not the same as a mathmetician.
3. Cartologist, map maker, surveyor
4. stone masons,
5. Astronomer, Oh yes.
6. Geologist, obvious
7. The Clergy
8. Artists, rock sculpters
Mapquest. Remember the cross found on the stone maps? What does it relate to in the heavens? National Treasure has some answers, they apply to the maps.
I will remain anonymous at present.
To Mapquest
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ.
Astronomy abounds in other areas related to these stone maps. First off, lets get rid of the Peralta presumption. If you have an opportunity to examine the stone maps for yourself it will be quite obvious that the word carved on one of the stones is not pedro; it is pedico. The Jesuits were men of God who came from many different countries. One must be as intelligent as his enemy to win a battle. Realizing of course that the Jesuits are not our enemies in this case. We know that this particular Jesuit or? came from Portugal or was aquainted with the Portuguese language, for the word Pedico is used to define shoe. A very important clue which can be found on the maps. I will not say which one. The Stone maps tell us, "Study the Maps". Oh, what the heck! Look at the horses hooves, which one has an anchor on it? Oh Lordy! What is the signifigance of the anchor? Some of you already know, the rest of you have your homework assignment.
Back to astronomy. Mapquest, you are on the right track and there is more. These maps do in fact lead to a location. There are markers that point the direction and how many leagues or miles that you have to go. Many of us could not recognize them and only a few of us have. The markers depicted on the maps can be seen as far as twenty miles away. Study the maps, study the hearts (which there are three of them on the stone maps and three hearts can be found on the site). Oh, by the way you may know the importance of the number three. One more piece of information concerning these maps; all of the clues, symbols, etc. could mean 3 different things. You must determine which meaning is correct. You will have to get up off your butt and start looking at the landscapes around you. Start looking in Apache Junction,AZ. Study the terrain,eventually you will see the Horse of the Holy Faith, he is there, I guarantee it. You will find that much time will be used to study the maps and the ground to which the maps pertain to. When you buy a map to go somewhere, lets say Dallas,TX. You cannot stay home to get there. You must jump in the car and follow the path set before you. Modern maps are pretty easy to follow, the stone maps are too if you know how to read them. Its learning how that is difficult. Matt. 16:19,I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." Make no mistake; Christ is the most important treasure to secure. No treasure on this earth is more valuable than knowing Christ, God's plan of eternal life and salvation. Where's the GOLD! Its out there people. Some depositories are emptied, most have not been disturbed. We all have to make our own decisions concerning hidden and buried treasures. I enjoy the hunt, the discoveries, going head to head with the Authors of these stone tablets, but I enjoy life most of all.
Anyway. Mapquest, the stone maps are for real. The authors wanted to confuse us and wanted us to believe these stones are truely a hoax, they did a damn good job. Once you understand these men and how clever they really are the clues will come to life and you can actually use these maps to find the actual on-ground site.
But first: Find the best experts that will work with you in the following areas:
1. Mathmatics; algebra, geometry, trigonometry, etc.
2. Numerologist, not the same as a mathmetician.
3. Cartologist, map maker, surveyor
4. stone masons,
5. Astronomer, Oh yes.
6. Geologist, obvious
7. The Clergy
8. Artists, rock sculpters
Mapquest. Remember the cross found on the stone maps? What does it relate to in the heavens? National Treasure has some answers, they apply to the maps.
I will remain anonymous at present.
To Mapquest
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ.
Astronomy abounds in other areas related to these stone maps. First off, lets get rid of the Peralta presumption. If you have an opportunity to examine the stone maps for yourself it will be quite obvious that the word carved on one of the stones is not pedro; it is pedico. The Jesuits were men of God who came from many different countries. One must be as intelligent as his enemy to win a battle. Realizing of course that the Jesuits are not our enemies in this case. We know that this particular Jesuit or? came from Portugal or was aquainted with the Portuguese language, for the word Pedico is used to define shoe. A very important clue which can be found on the maps. I will not say which one. The Stone maps tell us, "Study the Maps". Oh, what the heck! Look at the horses hooves, which one has an anchor on it? Oh Lordy! What is the signifigance of the anchor? Some of you already know, the rest of you have your homework assignment.
Back to astronomy. Mapquest, you are on the right track and there is more. These maps do in fact lead to a location. There are markers that point the direction and how many leagues or miles that you have to go. Many of us could not recognize them and only a few of us have. The markers depicted on the maps can be seen as far as twenty miles away. Study the maps, study the hearts (which there are three of them on the stone maps and three hearts can be found on the site). Oh, by the way you may know the importance of the number three. One more piece of information concerning these maps; all of the clues, symbols, etc. could mean 3 different things. You must determine which meaning is correct. You will have to get up off your butt and start looking at the landscapes around you. Start looking in Apache Junction,AZ. Study the terrain,eventually you will see the Horse of the Holy Faith, he is there, I guarantee it. You will find that much time will be used to study the maps and the ground to which the maps pertain to. When you buy a map to go somewhere, lets say Dallas,TX. You cannot stay home to get there. You must jump in the car and follow the path set before you. Modern maps are pretty easy to follow, the stone maps are too if you know how to read them. Its learning how that is difficult. Matt. 16:19,I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." Make no mistake; Christ is the most important treasure to secure. No treasure on this earth is more valuable than knowing Christ, God's plan of eternal life and salvation. Where's the GOLD! Its out there people. Some depositories are emptied, most have not been disturbed. We all have to make our own decisions concerning hidden and buried treasures. I enjoy the hunt, the discoveries, going head to head with the Authors of these stone tablets, but I enjoy life most of all.
Anyway. Mapquest, the stone maps are for real. The authors wanted to confuse us and wanted us to believe these stones are truely a hoax, they did a damn good job. Once you understand these men and how clever they really are the clues will come to life and you can actually use these maps to find the actual on-ground site.
But first: Find the best experts that will work with you in the following areas:
1. Mathmatics; algebra, geometry, trigonometry, etc.
2. Numerologist, not the same as a mathmetician.
3. Cartologist, map maker, surveyor
4. stone masons,
5. Astronomer, Oh yes.
6. Geologist, obvious
7. The Clergy
8. Artists, rock sculpters
Mapquest. Remember the cross found on the stone maps? What does it relate to in the heavens? National Treasure has some answers, they apply to the maps.
I will remain anonymous at present.
Post script
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ.
I had a problem with the post to Mapquest(Maptech)the page refused to transfer. However it did, a number of times. Concerning the word "pedico" some of you will know the definition of its primary meaning. In this case it applies to shoes, hoof or hooves from the root "ped" (also child). The word pedico is used in a number of other languages, ie; African, Dutch, German, Italian, Portuguese and others.
the blindbowman
dont beleive everything you read . i was trying to missled people as dose a lot of people looking for clues ...
and you are correct the dutchman waltz never saw the stones ...
the person that did find them was pegleg smith . he found the stones in 1847and change the date that was 1435... dillman late made a mark on the stones , he know it had something to do with where the stones pionted but he could not brake the code ...
he asumed the meaning of one of the simbolic and for got the number #1 rule . "never asume anything ..."
dont read something into the stones translations that is not there .....
i know where and what every mark on those stones mean and why ...
all i can say is good luck to you all . stay safe stay free
the blindbowman
by the way Elwood the word is Portuguese.
on the stones the 4 mts that aline are in order and named ...
and there is no magnetic readings on the stones ....
the blindbowman
by the way Elwood the word is Portuguese.
on the stones the 4 mts that aline are in order and named ...
and there is no magnetic readings on the stones ....
Elwood to Blindwoman
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ
You are correct. There is a reference on the stone maps that does provide us with a landmark concerning north and true north. The landmark is not far from El Cobollo de Santa Fe, who does in fact pasture to the north of the river. I want to see if we are on the same page.
Elwood to Blindwoman
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ
You are correct. There is a reference on the stone maps that does provide us with a landmark concerning north and true north. The landmark is not far from El Cobollo de Santa Fe, who does in fact pasture to the north of the river. I want to see if we are on the same page.
why what page are you on lol
Blindwoman
Elwood
Goodyear, AZ
The page of knowledge and wisdom. One must always practice both. I am evaluating your level of knowledge Blindwoman. Your answer to my last statement will tell me where your knowledge lies concerning these stone maps. The game continues. What wisdom have you, oh blind one? I am assuming that you and I both agree that these stone maps are no hoax.
i agree, they are real
the stone tablets have nothing to do with the LDM ,never did .
my discovery well be made public in may of 2008 ....
you would have to under stand the brillance of the stones makers and why they were made ,
the Aztec made the secred codec of aztlan ,the templars only copyied the codec to the stone tablets...
thats who made the stones and why they were made ...
IMHO, i will prove that ...
before you all go nuts about my wild theories . think of this . one, who ever made them did the mapping of the mt range knew the mts for many many years . this dose not mean that someone did not copy that data to the stones .. thats where the confussion started ...
the templar were stone masons and knew how to make these stone tablets out of peice of the temple mount stone tablets , brakeing off only peices with out writing on them , this acounts for the odd brakeing of the stone tablets , yet smooth edges on some sides as if they were in fact parts of large tablets at one time in the past ... now for the drawings on them the templar only copyied the codec of the Aztec ,IMHO they did not know what these site were at the time . they added more data then the codec had to try to let other templar know where these sites where . this is were the code comes into play in the stone tablets .... so what you are seeing is a coded codeic of the Aztec recoded by the templar . now add the 1435 date when henry the navigator found them and then add the fact pegleg smith found them in 1847 and change the date , he beleived that it was spainish that had been there in 1435 he was wrong it was portaqese /castlain from north of vinice Italy , they spoke a broken castlain pre-spainish portaqese mix of languages, this led to even more confussion ...
pegleg smith try to use the stones to find the treasure but he beleived it was spainish treasure and it was not ... and the clues took him on a wild gooses chase .. he got mad and change the date because he did not want the spainish to look like they had found the area frist ...
it would not have matterd they did not any way ...
yet one more time the stones would have a change made when they were found in 1949 . townsman made a mark on the stones . he asumed he knew what one of the marks ment . he was wrong to asume that , because he was in fact wrong about the meaning of that mark ...
if he is still alife he can ask me and i well tell him where he made the mark ...and why he was wrong to asume what he did ....
yes i do know who made the stone why and when and where the piont...
i have a lot of work to do .. latter
Astronomical Maps
Elwood
Apache Junction, AZ
The stone maps are like a book. These are second and/or third editions. The maps have been updated because the depositories have been moved to safer places that are much more difficult to get to. The Templars and the Jesuits worked together and were at peace with the Pima and Papago tribes. My son and I, many years ago, interviewed a Papago Story Teller/historian on the Reservation to discuss the area in question. This is another story I will tell someday. The Aztec and the Papago were brothers. The cultures involved in this undertaking were thrown together and mixed their technologies together. The Aztecs had great astronomers and so did Europe. The key is Orion. I have just mentioned a phrase that opens a can of worms and all kinds of theories are suggested as a result, but think about this; The stone maps tell us where to go, you say "How is that so?" The Horse of the Holy Faith! This amazing landmark has been placed in plain site, He can be seen from as far as twenty miles away! Millions of people over hundreds of years have looked right at him and not recognized him. Thus the phrase; You cannot see the forrest because of the trees. It took me a number of years to see his image, and when I did finally recognize him I was blown away!
Back to Constellation of Orion. There are a few of us who have been on the site that the maps lead us to. A number of years ago I acompanied a team of PHD students from U of A to the site to observe a rare phenomena. Needless to say they were taken by surprise and could not believe what they had witnessed. One of the Professors that headed up the group is very well known and famous in the knowledge of Astronomy. He has been a good friend ever since. He knows nothing if you were to ask him, he has long since retired and is in his golden years. Quicksand in the desert? I will attest to that as could the others. I was yakking and driving and not paying attention when suddenly I saw the hoof prints from the cattle had left deep holes where they had stepped, to late we were alreday sinking and going down by the bow as we came to a sudden stop and barely exited before the mire could cover the bottom rocker panels to block our escape. We grabbed all of our equipment and struggled through the thick mire to safety over on the bank of the river and counted our blessings. The top of the ground was dry and looked hard, no excuse. I was very embarrassed and apoligized 100 times. I know how to survive in the desert, its been like a home to me since 1961. I screwed up and almost got us killed. Treasure and desert equals trouble. You should have seen me later when I had to explain this screw up to the Sheriff's Rescue team. They had to come out and rescue my party. Because it was a prominent group from the U of A I incurred no charges and was forgiven. To this day I still feel like an ass.
Everything happens for a reason, and if we hadn't of gotten stuck in the quicksand we would have not discovered a most important fact concerning the maps and the site itself.
We had a certain amount of documentation gathered concerning the habitation of men in and around the area. There were about 2,500 men and women living in the area at one time hundreds of years ago. We know that they were European in descent and a number of Native Americans were also present. Old foundations were discovered that were intentionally hidden. Anyway, we were sitting on the river's edge and the Professor wanted to see the test documents that I had arranged in a booklet. He spent a couple of minutes and soon noted that he had identified a number of constellations marked upon the ground in the area. These constellations were huge, covering many acres over flat ground and soaring up the sides of the hills and mesas. My team and I have looked over these documents, studying them for hours upon hours and we always wondered what these dots were related to. When you look straight down on the earth everything appears to be flat. So, when looking at constellations that were depicted on the ground and placed on different elevations they will appear distorted and not recognizable. The Prof.spent 40 plus years of his life knowing stars like the back of his hand. He was able to see them as they would look if you looked at them from a certain perspective, like say a particular mountain peak. One could stand on this particular peak and view one set of the constellations and another peak depicted another set. The stars of each constellation were of such a size that the brightness of each one was correctly identified. The Prof. was totally amazed at the accuracy of the work and its scope that he could not for any reason understand why this task was undertaken. "For God and Gold." I yelled! He was really perplexed about one thing; He said,"I just don't understand it. Orion is not where it is supposed to be, it's missing... and the Southern Cross is also depicted, and as you know it is not in this hemisphere." After a few more thoughts we all came to these conclusion: Whatever happened here was of a paramount proportion, many highly educated people and laborers worked here. The area was heavily coded, it was shrouded in secrecy, it was designed not to be discovered by others or to be interpreted by anyone who was not a member of this elite group. The most important observation concluded by us all was this; something marvelous happened here and its value is beyond any dreams that we may concieve.Just like the horse boys, we were not supposed to see him. But, some of us have. And Guess What? If you can see the horse, you can see it all, well almost.
i see what my mind lets me see and after being blind are things have some value . to what or when or howe is the real quesion being ask ...
hy you are setting there thinking this guy is nuts ask your self how the masonic simbolic got in the graves dillman found ....this means the masonic simbolic was there before 1519 i think when those graves were made there may have still been templar slaves in the tribes what beeter to leave a clue then to throw your ring the grave with out the indains knowning it ...
so dillman and i both found sign of the masonic order being part of the legends ...
maybe he was legally blind like me . maybe we use more of our sense then most do ...
if i was right and the templar lost tere hold around the early 1
